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Thread: Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflakebeautiful View Post
    Thank you Fleeting!!!! Gahh, I have a test tomorrow :( but can't wait to see if they work tomorrow post-test!!! I've heard it has it's bits that are probably true, but that it also probably has its fair share of erm "embellishments" shall we say? Anyways, I'm super excited!

    And I didn't realize those were from an interview! I'll have to search for it, haha. But either way, I heard she was a gem on V/M's show, lol.
    No problem!! There's definitely a lot of... Unfortunate editing for D/W, I've gotta say. It makes them look cold and maybe a little bit rude. But it was nice to see P/B and W/P in a couple of the episodes.

    I stayed up watching Worlds until 5am this year on eve of a huge English test... Sacrifices had to be made to watch P/B's final free dance and exhibition too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleeting View Post
    No problem!! There's definitely a lot of... Unfortunate editing for D/W, I've gotta say. It makes them look cold and maybe a little bit rude. But it was nice to see P/B and W/P in a couple of the episodes.

    I stayed up watching Worlds until 5am this year on eve of a huge English test... Sacrifices had to be made to watch P/B's final free dance and exhibition too.
    ...I figured there would be a lot of unfortunate editing of D/W... I just wonder what happened btwn D/W and V/M because there are pics of them floating around where they clearly were on good/friendly terms at one point....I guess maybe D/W started winning? Oh well....it is what it is; and I wouldn't expect anything more or less from a reality tv show, haha
    Ohhh! I didn't know P/B were in it!! That's exciting!!! :D - And yes...I always chose procrastinating over studying....but I figure failing isn't exactly an option for me tomorrow soooooo.... lol

    Anyways, I'll be excited to hear about how S/K do with Marina!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleeting View Post
    No problem!! There's definitely a lot of... Unfortunate editing for D/W, I've gotta say. It makes them look cold and maybe a little bit rude. But it was nice to see P/B and W/P in a couple of the episodes.

    I stayed up watching Worlds until 5am this year on eve of a huge English test... Sacrifices had to be made to watch P/B's final free dance and exhibition too.
    LOL. Some people actually took those scenes as a sign that Meryl is superhuman and she will eat Charlie if he even steps a toe out of line.

    So, positive spin on a negative light?

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    I wonder whether Zoueva gave some reasonable prices for ice.

    After all, right now D&W, V&M, and the Shibs are all busy with shows for the next several weeks... rink.must be relatively empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I wonder whether Zoueva gave some reasonable prices for ice.

    After all, right now D&W, V&M, and the Shibs are all busy with shows for the next several weeks... rink.must be relatively empty.
    And do the Russian Fed. or S/K have to pay for the ice? ...Or is that unknown for now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    When you are skating with a couple in public you are trying to present an image. So just because he's nice to her in front of cameras doesn't mean there are no issues.
    This is absolutely true. It's not only true for skating partnerships, but for any relationship in life. You never know what the real situation is between two people, even if you know them personally. And it's even more impossible to tell if you are just a stranger or a member of the public that has no connection with the people in question.

    It's like that in real life every day with people we all know. There are marriages, friendships, sibling relationships, business partnerships, etc. that you think are going well, and then all of a sudden you get a shock and find out they are not. The people you think will stay together don't, and the people you think will fail end up sticking it out.

    Look at how surprised the American political analysts were a few years ago when Al Gore & Tipper got divorced. They supposedly adored each other. Meanwhile, Bill Clinton & Hillary, despite all their problems and scandals, are still together!

    And you are also right that skaters are not just athletes - they are also mini-politicians and people who know the importance of PR. You aren't going to build a fanbase or impress the judges if you look like you hate each other and want to take each other apart. So for career reasons and for the sake of earning $$, they have to learn how to put on a positive front even if things are pretty bad behind the scenes.

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    The slant you're getting from reports is that this move is personal. Nikita was obviously hurt by Lena's life choices and chose to soothe himself with this deliberate act. It gave him the much needed impetus to probably put on a good act maybe both in private and public. Every couple has rough patches, but looking at the sheer glee Lena displayed towards Nik at the OG gala, you can tell she did not sense that this was coming. I don't think she was foolish enough to believe that there weren't problems, but I think she believed they would stick it out for the team. I sense now that rumors about them splitting were more than likely fueled by his actions away from her. However seeing that he didn't officially act on them in the past she soldiered on. Maybe she thought she even deserved these unsportsmanlike actions because of her relationship with Morozov. It could be for her that this is a vulnerability/need of hers that she found difficult to overlook, for reasons you and I could never explain. That is a private matter.

    So really and truly she should be glad to be away from the tension of that environment. She needs to start over afresh with a new attitude and mindset. I hope she and Ruslan achieve great things. IMHO, if Nikita felt humiliated by Lena's actions he should have been man enough to express it and voice his intentions earlier thereby giving everyone a chance to land on their feet. Because it looks like he defrauded her into believing all was okay in order to get the OBM. The more I think about it, its the more that I realize how callous these actions are. I am floored really by it. For me really the shock of it all is just settling in. Surely the fed does not believe that they could ever be reunited? So they may as well give both teams the go ahead so they can get on with their lives. There is no turning back now.

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    A lot of people seem very upset with Nikita, and some of those reactions may be justified. But as someone said above, we have to remember that there's more than one side to this story. If the rumors are true that there was some sort of relationship between Elena and Morozov, I can understand how Nikita would be uncomfortable or upset about that. I would be too if I were in that situation. Skating partnerships are challenging enough without creating a personal drama between a coach and one of the partners.

    Even if the two skaters have never been romantically involved, it can still be uncomfortable for the other partner. Although Victor Kraatz & Shae-Lynn Bourne apparently never became a real-life couple, it was commented on by some people that Kraatz seemed a bit uncomfortable when she and Morozov were involved. It's a weird dynamic to have going on.

    So if one skater decides to become involved with a coach, that skater is taking their chances that it may blow up down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O View Post
    A lot of people seem very upset with Nikita, and some of those reactions may be justified. But as someone said above, we have to remember that there's more than one side to this story. If the rumors are true that there was some sort of relationship between Elena and Morozov, I can understand how Nikita would be uncomfortable or upset about that. I would be too if I were in that situation. Skating partnerships are challenging enough without creating a personal drama between a coach and one of the partners.

    Even if the two skaters have never been romantically involved, it can still be uncomfortable for the other partner. Although Victor Kraatz & Shae-Lynn Bourne apparently never became a real-life couple, it was commented on by some people that Kraatz seemed a bit uncomfortable when she and Morozov were involved. It's a weird dynamic to have going on.

    So if one skater decides to become involved with a coach, that skater is taking their chances that it may blow up down the road.
    I agree with what you're saying. I feel like the three of them had to have had their fair share of awkwardness, all things considered.

    I have a question though - Who is Morozov going to coach in the U.S.A. since I/K have now hit splitsville with one another and him...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O View Post
    A lot of people seem very upset with Nikita, and some of those reactions may be justified. But as someone said above, we have to remember that there's more than one side to this story. If the rumors are true that there was some sort of relationship between Elena and Morozov, I can understand how Nikita would be uncomfortable or upset about that. I would be too if I were in that situation. Skating partnerships are difficult enough without bringing a personal drama between a coach and a skater onto the ice and causing it to come between the other partner.

    Even if the two skaters have never been romantically involved, it can still be uncomfortable for the other partner. Although Victor Kraatz & Shae-Lynn Bourne apparently never became a real-life couple, it was reported on the skating forums a decade or so back that Kraatz felt a bit uncomfortable in the later years of their partnership when she and Morozov were involved. It's a weird dynamic to have going on. So if one skater decides to become involved with a coach, that skater is taking their chances that it may blow up down the road.
    True. Lena took a risk and it did not end well. Also they were also involved another high risk move. I gather that ended rather badly, correct me if I'm wrong? This may have made her think that he had no further claims to her. Or rather simply he was far more into her than she was into him so she felt the need to end things. No-one will ever know these details and quite frankly it isn't our business to know. Maybe she didn't understand that this was a deal breaker. Maybe he told her this privately but she just couldn't control herself. It could be that it was long in the working to split after the Olympics but as they seemed to be getting on so well she hoped he would eventually change his mind. Also as no official documents were filed by him to end the pair she chose to be hopeful. But obviously he was just biding his time.

    When asked about their involvement he either denied it or simply said that was a long time ago. If he were truthful from the start and just told Lena at the beginning of the year that he doesn't intent to skate with her further, he would have minimized the painful loss for all involved. Remember here his actions not only affected Lena but Ruslan as well.

    To his credit Nikita appears to be a very quiet almost reticent man, Lena appears much more aggressive and outgoing (depending on the crowd). We all know her family, while we have never seen any of his family. This dynamic on a whole just maybe did not work for him. He expected that Lena would figure out by this very dynamic that he was going to leave her at some point, but she chose maybe to live in denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflakebeautiful View Post
    And do the Russian Fed. or S/K have to pay for the ice? ...Or is that unknown for now?
    I really doubt that the Federation is paying for them. Especially since they were against splitting of two top pairs. I think Nikita has a wealthy sponsor (sugar daddy ). Or Zueva wants them so much that she's paying for the ice herself. Of course no one except them knows for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    I really doubt that the Federation is paying for them. Especially since they were against splitting of two top pairs. I think Nikita has a wealthy sponsor (sugar daddy ). Or Zueva wants them so much that she's paying for the ice herself. Of course no one except them knows for sure.
    Were they really? I doubt it now, there were so many lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O View Post

    And you are also right that skaters are not just athletes - they are also mini-politicians and people who know the importance of PR. You aren't going to build a fanbase or impress the judges if you look like you hate each other and want to take each other apart. So for career reasons and for the sake of earning $$, they have to learn how to put on a positive front even if things are pretty bad behind the scenes.
    Actually, that's not necessarily true. What I loved on Mukhortova-Trankov was their relationship. Skating to love story while hating each other must have been pretty hard to pull off.

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    I can't wait to hear the final verdict in this. Initially I was hoping for I/K to remain together but after what's been said and done, I can't see that happening. All the best to Ilinykh, she should not wait for Katsalapov anymore, and just go ahead with choosing a new partner and trying out with him. Perhaps concentrating solely on improving her skating can help her forget this entire mess. Best of luck and strength to her and to Zhiganshin. I really really hope this doesn't cause lasting damage on her skating (confidence issues).
    As for Sinitsina and Katsalapov, I'm disgusted by both of them. Not because they wanted to split from their partners, but because they apparently announced it out of the blue, and now while they're taking their sweet time contemplating if they can make it work together under a new coach, their former partners are wasting practise time waiting for the definitive word from the federation. Even if S/K skate like gods when they enter a championship, I'm not sure I'll be able to ever enjoy their programs, knowing what they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surimi View Post
    I can't wait to hear the final verdict in this. Initially I was hoping for I/K to remain together but after what's been said and done, I can't see that happening. All the best to Ilinykh, she should not wait for Katsalapov anymore, and just go ahead with choosing a new partner and trying out with him. Perhaps concentrating solely on improving her skating can help her forget this entire mess. Best of luck and strength to her and to Zhiganshin. I really really hope this doesn't cause lasting damage on her skating (confidence issues).
    As for Sinitsina and Katsalapov, I'm disgusted by both of them. Not because they wanted to split from their partners, but because they apparently announced it out of the blue, and now while they're taking their sweet time contemplating if they can make it work together under a new coach, their former partners are wasting practise time waiting for the definitive word from the federation. Even if S/K skate like gods when they enter a championship, I'm not sure I'll be able to ever enjoy their programs, knowing what they did.
    I feel the same. At first I wished them to stay together, now I wish Elena would move on. She doesn't need him in her life. I hope she will beat him in every competition.
    for me the problem is also not the fact that they split up, but how Katsalapov and Sinitsina have handled the things.

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