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Thread: State of the American Ladies III: 2014-15 Season

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    Gold vs. Wagner is definitely something to continue to keep a close eye on. Wagner seemed to be getting the upper hand at first, drawing from her experience and consistency. Now things appear to be in Gold's favor. I said before (when Wagner was on top) that if Gold ever started gaining consistency, Wagner would be done as US #1 and that has panned out. It remains to be seen if Wagner can swing the pendulum back in her direction, but IMO it's VERY telling that at Worlds, Wagner with a knockout FS (and her SP wasn't even bad) still couldn't make up enough ground to catch up to a sub-par Gold. How times change, huh?

    I also said that once Gold passed Wagner (it wasn't a matter of if, but when), Gold would not look back. I don't think Wagner will ever beat Gold again unless the latter has a complete meltdown (definitely possible ) or gets injured. Having said that, 2015 Nats will be interesting because Gold will be defending champ and could buckle under the pressure, which may open the door for Edmunds, or Nagasu, or one of the up-and-comers, or Wagner if she's healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Gold vs. Wagner is definitely something to continue to keep a close eye on. Wagner seemed to be getting the upper hand at first, drawing from her experience and consistency. Now things appear to be in Gold's favor. I said before (when Wagner was on top) that if Gold ever started gaining consistency, Wagner would be done as US #1 and that has panned out. It remains to be seen if Wagner can swing the pendulum back in her direction, but IMO it's VERY telling that at Worlds, Wagner with a knockout FS (and her SP wasn't even bad) still couldn't make up enough ground to catch up to a sub-par Gold. How times change, huh?

    I also said that once Gold passed Wagner (it wasn't a matter of if, but when), Gold would not look back. I don't think Wagner will ever beat Gold again unless the latter has a complete meltdown (definitely possible ) or gets injured. Having said that, 2015 Nats will be interesting because Gold will be defending champ and could buckle under the pressure, which may open the door for Edmunds, or Nagasu, or one of the up-and-comers, or Wagner if she's healthy.
    That error in the SP was super costly, however. She lost 4.2 points at least in BV + GOE. If she just got the BV of the 3F-3T or heck, even the 3F-2T with +GOE, she would have passed Gracie easily for 5th.

    Also Ashley still left points on the table in the FS with a 2A-3T< and a 3F<-2T-2T.

    I think Gracie has more of the goods to stay No. 1, but one can't underestimate a hungry Ashley either.
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    Also Ashley still left points on the table in the FS with a 2A-3T< and a 3F<-2T-2T.
    I must say though - I thought those calls were a bit harsh. Probably should have/would have gotten the BOTD with a more lenient caller. But at least he was consistent (giving everyone a similar level of scrutiny).

    I think Gracie has more of the goods to stay No. 1, but one can't underestimate a hungry Ashley either.
    It feels so weird because I was one of the few that DIDN'T count her out back in 2011 - I figured she'd come back and had a strange gut feeling that 2012 would be her year (still didn't anticipate her finishing 4th at Worlds though!) ... however, I'm not getting the same feeling for 2015. Perhaps because she is older and has had several good performances behind her. I still wonder if there's something left in the tank before the fuel runs out (or the car breaks down). Having said that, if there IS something left in her, and she can build up from this season, next season might be a very great opportunity for her (assuming some retirements take place).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Sadly don't expect programs that show Gracie's personality with Frank coaching her. He and Lori will stick her with pretty princess music yet again instead of something that can both show off her personality and power.
    I agree with this. I found it especially telling when, after her Olympic team FP, she actually showed some fire and feeling after her performance - and Frank came down on her like a ton of bricks for it. I think he prefers the classical, cool, ice princess, who rarely - if ever - shows any unseemly & unladylike emotion.

    (This became most clear to me, when somebody suggested that Gabrielle Daleman should go to Frank, and my immediate internal reaction was: "Oh, no!" - because I think he'd try to kill the fire and exuberance that are so fetching about her. But this is OT, of course.)


    On another note...
    About Mirai - why can't she name Mura her coach? Is there any problem that prevents her from training there full time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Sadly don't expect programs that show Gracie's personality with Frank coaching her. He and Lori will stick her with pretty princess music yet again instead of something that can both show off her personality and power.
    I hope not. She has a lot more in her than pretty princess classical bs, especially when she matures. I'd love to see her tackle something with attitude (and not necessarily a tango, since that seems to be the default "attitude" program for skaters).

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    I mentioned a piece of music like Michelle Kwan's 1996 Taj Mahal as a program idea for Anna Pogorilaya in another thread, but wouldn't it be interesting to see Gracie take that route? A little bit of attitude might be a good look for her, as the pwetty pwincess could grow old quite quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    It remains to be seen if Wagner can swing the pendulum back in her direction, but IMO it's VERY telling that at Worlds, Wagner with a knockout FS (and her SP wasn't even bad) still couldn't make up enough ground to catch up to a sub-par Gold. How times change, huh?
    Ashley's performance at Worlds wasn't completely ideal either (especially not the SP), and I don't agree that the only way she'll have a shot at the national title is if Gracie falters. Ashley has that determination to "prove her doubters wrong", if you will, which has been a recurring source of motivation throughout her career. I think without the pressures of the last Nationals she'll give Gracie a run for her money in 2015.

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    I think next year shall be quite interesting.

    I would like to see Polina become the #1 US skater during this quad. Not next year but as she builds up her way to the Medals. We may have a strong competitor in her.

    I really want Ashley to become a 3-time US Champion. We have not had one of those in a while, which would be cool.
    I like her lively performance qualities as she demonstrated at 2014 Worlds in the Long Program. They really got into it.

    We shall see what the skaters bring to the table for next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skatetomusic View Post
    I think next year shall be quite interesting.

    I would like to see Polina become the #1 US skater during this quad. Not next year but as she builds up her way to the Medals. We may have a strong competitor in her.

    I really want Ashley to become a 3-time US Champion. We have not had one of those in a while, which would be cool.
    I like her lively performance qualities as she demonstrated at 2014 Worlds in the Long Program. They really got into it.

    We shall see what the skaters bring to the table for next season.
    I think Ashley could recapture the title if Gracie falters under pressure. If both are clean, Gracie will come out on top but that's no guarantee.

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    like how you do the write up but only american ladies. seem to need to work things out.

    you leave out state of russian ladies, state of japanese ladies, state of candian ladies.

    why. you degrade the u.s. ladies when you do this. it implies they are only country that needs to work out kinks. instead of the other country.

    when in fact gracie was underscored at worlds despite her fall, misstep. she should have scored at least 130. like julia did for a fall. they should have only took off 8 points from a 140 which would have given her a 132.

    despite fall she should have finished ahead of anna.

    they score the other countries skaters too high for mistakes and take off too much for the u.s laides.

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    Well you now know who I'm rooting for and neither of them were at the top. They just appeal to me more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skatetomusic View Post
    I think next year shall be quite interesting.

    I would like to see Polina become the #1 US skater during this quad. Not next year but as she builds up her way to the Medals. We may have a strong competitor in her.

    I really want Ashley to become a 3-time US Champion. We have not had one of those in a while, which would be cool.
    I like her lively performance qualities as she demonstrated at 2014 Worlds in the Long Program. They really got into it.

    We shall see what the skaters bring to the table for next season.
    I expect the international rise of Polina to be swift next season and I won't be surprised if she wins a GP. It blows my mind how well she performed in her first two big senior competitions- Olympic year Nationals and Olympics. Finally a US lady who is a steely competitor. Hallelujah.

    I am glad I am not the only one who isn't giving up on Ashley. I think she's best when she's out to prove something and I think she'll be formidable next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RABID View Post
    Have a feeling that in one year the conversation about the state of the American Ladies is going to include Karen Chen with Ashley possibly being urged to retire...
    Seriously someone needs to perform an exorcism on the USFSA and get Mirai and Ashley out of there. Go back to your jobs at The Gap ladies!

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    While I'm now in the Gracie corner, after seeing Mirai perform at SOI I truly hope she gets a coach and a choreographer and comes prepared for the upcoming season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYscorp6 View Post
    While I'm now in the Gracie corner, after seeing Mirai perform at SOI I truly hope she gets a coach and a choreographer and comes prepared for the upcoming season.
    Adam Rippon did her programs for the next season already. Not sure how I feel about that to be totally honest. I love Adam and I love that he's getting experience choreographing (I see a bright future for him there) but shouldn't she be working with someone more established? She's just made a number of decisions I see as questionable.

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