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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk8Boi View Post
    Chan needs to grab a hold of his titles earned with mistakes and RUN FOR THE HILLS. Quit. Adios. Retire. Save the world from exposure to his obnoxious, self-centered, self-entitles claptrap. Just do it. Retire.


    at least Chan's retirement will finally get him a bit of respect
    from his fraud wins

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    Wha yuh mean? The man still de deh? Him jus neva go WC! Simple as dat..LOL...

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    I'd just like to say, while I dislike Patrick Chan for his constant splats and don't agree with the kind of judging he gave birth to, it's not like all his titles were bogus. I think he deserved 2012. Yeah, splat on the double axel was and the judges' scores were comically huge. And no idea how he got those "interpretation timing" scores when he was so off-beat he got a time deduction. But Takahashi--whose skating I love--had his own share of mistakes plus no second quad in his free skate. I find it more disturbing that the judges placed Takahashi below Hanyu in the free skate. That was probably the judges showing Takahashi the door by that point.

    I agree 2013 was ridiculous. Ridiculous SP score and sloppy free skate. I find Denis Ten very boring but he was the better skater that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk8Boi View Post
    Chan needs to grab a hold of his titles earned with mistakes and RUN FOR THE HILLS. Quit. Adios. Retire. Save the world from exposure to his obnoxious, self-centered, self-entitles claptrap. Just do it. Retire.
    And the same to you for your obnoxious claptrap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    But Takahashi--whose skating I love--had his own share of mistakes plus no second quad in his free skate. I find it more disturbing that the judges placed Takahashi below Hanyu in the free skate. That was probably the judges showing Takahashi the door by that point.
    Personally I think the judges gave Dai a low PCS was partly because of his music choice. I mean the music of his long program was not classical like PChan or dramatically catchy like Hanyu. Frankly, I love Dai very much, and I think he would have won but the music of that program was kinda off my taste. I guess the judges thought so, too.

    As for PChan, I think people are too harsh on him. Aside from not good with his mouth, he is a decent guy and an excellent skater. A clean PChan still has chances for lots of gold out there. The field is so much boring without a strong skater like him. I hope he will go back and be clean.

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    Yeah, Dai's PCS score in 2012 was pretty sad. I thought it was a beautiful skate that he sold the heck out of. Had no problems with the music and I don't think that should be a huge factor in judging unless it ruins the skate.

    I don't hold much hope that Chan will return to skate clean. If he can't be clean during his prime, I doubt an aging Patrick will be any better. (Yeah, he's 23 and relatively injury-free, but that's already old in figure skating. Just check the ages of past OGMs.) This is probably why I don't want him to return. If the judges keep saving him, people will only hate him more (and it's not fair to other skaters); if they decide to discard him, then he's going to have trouble winning anything barring the rest of the field melting down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    Yeah, Dai's PCS score in 2012 was pretty sad. I thought it was a beautiful skate that he sold the heck out of. Had no problems with the music and I don't think that should be a huge factor in judging unless it ruins the skate.
    I don't hold much hope that Chan will return to skate clean. If he can't be clean during his prime, I doubt an aging Patrick will be any better. (Yeah, he's 23 and relatively injury-free, but that's already old in figure skating. Just check the ages of past OGMs.) This is probably why I don't want him to return. If the judges keep saving him, people will only hate him more (and it's not fair to other skaters); if they decide to discard him, then he's going to have trouble winning anything barring the rest of the field melting down.
    If PChan skates clean, I think there would be no way the judge would ever give him PCS lower than 92, he might even get 95 if he skates beautifully.

    I mean, once the judge give out the PCS barrier, they hardly ever take it back. Heck, even Machida and Javi get 90 PCS for their free skate (which I could never understand), there would be no way that PChan could be lower.

    The problem is his mentality, I think. He should get a new coach, one that helps him with his jumps. And a more difficult program layout. He can do that, but does he want to, it's an entire different matter.

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    Of course he'll get monster PCS if he skates clean, even if he chooses borderline unlistenable music and skates it totally absent-minded. I just can't see him being able to skate clean consistently enough to take advantage of his competitors' mistakes.

    The triple axel's going to continue being his nemesis. He got away with it when no one else was doing two quads, but now Hanyu's got two quads (though he falls on the salchow most of the time) and two triple axel combinations in the second half. Unless there's some rule change that limits how much backloading you can do (to stop Hanyu's "base score is so high I win even if I mess up" strategy), as well as greater punishment for falls (so Hanyu either stops doing the salchow or can lose to Patrick if he falls on it)... Even then, it hinges on Patrick skating clean.

    Not sure if he can increase the difficulty of his skates. He was struggling with the free program as it was. He only has one kind of quad (though this is okay if Hanyu continues being inconsistent with the salchow), has the most inconsistent triple axel for a top skater since Lambiel, and was still doing double axels at the end of skates (and sometimes misses those). It would take a phenomenal amount of work, late in his athletic career, to increase difficulty. And since he's taking a break rather than getting to work right away, that doesn't seem to be what he wants to do.

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    Well, it might be harder for him since Hanyu is practicing 4 loop, even 4 axel... and so do other youngsters. Of course they are still inconsistent but at this rate, I think PChan should have a new quad before Hanyu perfect his 4S and 4 loop next season.
    He'd better come back right away next season. Because if the skips a season, the judges might not give him a monstrous PCS anymore.

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    LOL @ the haterade in this thread.

    As much as haters want to whine that his wins were controversial, these same people are the ones who don't even consider him artistically on another level than most of the field. They just plain hate him.

    Oh well. The records will always state that he has 3 World titles, no matter how controversial haters like to say it is. That will go with a slew of GPF wins, GP wins, Canadian titles, 2 Olympic silvers, and general recognition by the majority of the skating community as one of the best skaters ever. Any other opinion is pure haterade, and should immediately be discounted as trying to diminish an otherwise wonderful skater. He will always be known as a 3-time World Champion, and people won't even remember the circumstances of his 2013 win which should have arguably gone to Ten. Even if you take away his 2012 title, his 2011 title was one of the best skates of all time. Even haters of his this season after TEB finally succumbed to how great his skating was and actually admitted that he's in a league of his own (with Hanyu entering that league from the 2nd half of the season onwards).

    Saying he should take his titles and run for the hills... really? Other than Hanyu, he was the dominant skater last season, and the dominant skater the 3 seasons prior to that. His overall level of skating was so superior to the field that he could afford to mistakes (mind you, his competitors did too), and he would still place well if not win. When he is at his best (TEB 2013), nobody can touch him, not even a clean Hanyu at this point (but perhaps next season and onwards). He has the World Record total score to show for that, and it wasn't on home ice so that is indisputably the best competition ever skated by a male skater under this season. Trying to trivialize his efforts, or how great an athlete he was, is an exercise in futility at best and absolute delusion at worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Well, it might be harder for him since Hanyu is practicing 4 loop, even 4 axel... and so do other youngsters. Of course they are still inconsistent but at this rate, I think PChan should have a new quad before Hanyu perfect his 4S and 4 loop next season.
    He'd better come back right away next season. Because if the skips a season, the judges might not give him a monstrous PCS anymore.

    I think there is possiblity that he will come back for nationals, because it is almost 100 % that he will WIN it. I think he will continue after that if he will be able to fight for the wins with Hanyu but if not I can't see him competiting since I am finding him as a person that can't accept loosing

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    People fail to realize that Chan posted a score of 295.27 at TEB just 5 months ago. Although I suppose people wrote him off after 2013 Worlds saying he was diminishing. Some were even so foolish to predict he would end up 3rd or 4th in Sochi.

    If he came back, he just needs to wag his pinky and he'll get GP wins (or silvers) and qualify for the GPF. His overall quality of skating is that good. The other guys are catching up, but nobody has caught up to his level of skating... not even Hanyu.

    As for his axel consistency, save for Sochi, he landed 5/8 clean triple axels last season, which for him is actually good, and for the rest of the field is about par for the course (Hanyu being the exception who only missed 1 axel last season). His quad was extremely consistent... something like 12/15 landed cleanly or something like that.

    Hanyu still has yet to gain consistency with his 4S. Until that happens, Chan totally has a shot. And people forget that Hanyu/Fernandez are prone to errors themselves. If those guys were skating clean programs, competition after competition, then Chan might consider hanging up his skates, but until that happens I doubt any of the people hating on Chan would actually bet money against him if he's competing against Machida or Fernandez. The only one who can still legitimately challenge Chan overall is Hanyu.

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    @Meoima
    I think getting a new quad is all he can do. I hold very low hopes for his axel. I mean:
    2 Olympics - 5 programs - 6 triple axels attempts - one landed cleanly

    Coupled with his troubles on the double axel, he's either got terrible technique for forward take-offs or is just physically unsuited for axel jumps. It's fixable, but it'll be difficult this late in his career. At the same time, though, I dunno if he'll be able to learn a new quad if he can't even get the axel down.

    If I were Patrick, I wouldn't worry too much about Hanyu's 4Lo or potential 4A unless he lands them in competition. There are people before Hanyu who have tried those jumps, and stopped due to injury/affecting other areas of training/realizing they didn't need it and was better off skating a clean program. It's one thing to land a jump; it's another to land it, then keep skating a respectable program for four and a half minutes.

    Also, let's face it, if Hanyu gets a reliable 4A, Patrick (and everyone else) are toast no matter what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    Also, let's face it, if Hanyu gets a reliable 4A, Patrick (and everyone else) are toast no matter what they do.
    That would be amazing if he could get one. If he did get a consistent 4A (which is pretty impossible... it's amazing how consistent his 3A is), the rest of the guys might as well hang their skates up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    That would be amazing if he could get one. If he did get a consistent 4A (which is pretty impossible... it's amazing how consistent his 3A is), the rest of the guys might as well hang their skates up.
    Well I am sure he will try in future 4A in competition. He is getting physically stronger, so I think he may do it somewhere in future ( he already landed it with a little rotation missing as I had read somewhere on forum here ). I think axel is the easiest jump for him.. lol. He is starting warm-up from 3A

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