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Thread: Predictions/Things that didn't happen for the 2011-14 quad

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Perhaps, but that is irrelevant to this thread. The 2011-2014 quad is already over and the Shibutanis went through an unexpected (to most) steep decline over the remainder of that quad. BTW if the Shibutanis are behind Chock & Bates they wont be on any major podiums. The ISU is not going to have 2 American teams and 3 NA teams on world or olympic podiums even with both V&M and D&W retired. Not a chance.
    That's probably true. It's probably not a coincidence that W&P were not allowed to get on the World podium until after V&M and D&W were absent. So if W&P are going to be on the podium now, that could mean that only one other NA team will be allowed to join them there. So this could affect the C&B and Shibutani career path, as well as the G&P and P&I one as well. Although several of these NA teams moved up the standings last month, they might be made to wait a few years by the judges before being allowed on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O View Post
    That's probably true. It's probably not a coincidence that W&P were not allowed to get on the World podium until after V&M and D&W were absent. So if W&P are going to be on the podium now, that could mean that only one other NA team will be allowed to join them there. So this could affect the C&B and Shibutani career path, as well as the G&P and P&I one as well. Although several of these NA teams moved up the standings last month, they might be made to wait a few years by the judges before being allowed on the podium.
    I am pretty sure the Europeans were peeved in a big way watching the total dominance of D&W and V&M which they could do absolutely nothing about, as like it or not those two were head and shoulders above all others. Now with them gone I see them not being overly generous to a crop of NA teams, who while very good, are nothing like the undeniable V&M and D&W, atleast not yet. Yes since W&P will probably be on the podium most of the time that is bad news for the others. They might not even want a 2nd NA team on the podium, as after years of frusterating NA dominance they might want to see the golds mostly going to Europe and atleast 2 of the 3 medals, but if a 2nd NA team is allowed as things are now that would probably be C&B. So for a team like the Shibutanis if they are only going to remain U.S #2 they certainly wont be seeing future world podiums. They must find a way somehow to atleast pass C&B.

    I also think the 2011 worlds all NA podium (which was really a total accident and fluke and came about only due to a huge two person fall by P&B) really upset the European dance community, and while they had some legit issues that caused their downfall, the Shibutanis also payed a heavy price in the years to come. IMO that world bronze might prove to be the deteriment of the rest of their careers. It has thus far.

    Anyway if they never allowed another NA sweep after 2011 even with V&M and D&W, two of the best teams ever both from NA, both around. They sure as hell wont let it happen now.

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    Yes, the Shibutanis have kind of been treading water for the past several seasons. Not only have they had trouble going back up, but they've had other teams overtaking them (W&P, C&B, I&K etc.) that they used to place ahead of. And now they also have other teams at this year's Worlds who have begun closing in on them (I was surprised to see G&P come within less than a point of the Shibs in the FD). It's also possible that P&I could move in on The Shibs down the road if they can keep skating more consistently. H&D are also a potential challenge for the Shibs if Madison's surgery turns out to be successful and they begin to move up.

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    I think it is still a little early to predict how deep or not the field is going into 2018. Some people hate B/S, but let's face it. They and I/K could have had an incredible rivalry these next four years, which will never happen because of the split. B/S & I/K were getting marks that D/W were not even getting in 2009-2010 also. And in the last quad from around 2007-2010 the field seemed very deep, with French D/S, Russian D/S, V/M, B/A, K/N. At least around 2007-2009 before pregnancies and injuries got the best of French D/S, Russian D/S, V/M. It paved the way for D/W to win a medal in 2010, who were the only healthy skaters. And then, the field didn't seem deep anymore with all these injuries to key teams like V/M, the French D/S, the Russian D/S, B/A.

    Aside from V/M's dominance in Vancouver, the rest of the field didn't seem as deep as in 2007 and 2008 because of all the injuries to D/S, V/M and the pregnancy of the French D/S. B/A also had some back problem for him. These chain of events all led to D/W's Olympic medal win in 2010, who had never before won any medal at Worlds, unlike V/M, French D/S, Russian D/S, K/N, and B/A.

    I think we can only gauge frontrunners during the Olympic season because the depth of the field can change very quickly, as we saw pre-2010.

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    This thread had a possibility or relevance,

    But the original post was so manipulative that it died right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladola View Post
    This thread had a possibility or relevance,

    But the original post was so manipulative that it died right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    I think the date was referring to when the prediction was made rather than when the Olympics was.

    Incidentally, great idea for a thread. Pity it is already getting bitchy...

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    Yes, that's how I interpreted the year marker, but I don't think Sky is the bitchy one. Some people become ubers because their skating touches them and they believe in future greatness.

    Mine:
    1. Chan would win Sochi with a poorly skated program. At least he won silver with a poorly skated program, so I was close.
    2. Was waiting for the puberty monster to destroy JuLip. This was a prediction I'm glad did not pan out. She was wonderful this season. A breath of fresh air.
    3. As for US Ladiezzz, at the beginning of the quad I fully expected some more US titles and world medals from Mirai Nagasu. Who'd believe towards the end she'd get it together, place third at Nationals but get left off the team? That was unprecedented.
    4. Asada would continue her downward spiral.
    5. Yuna would win gold again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladola View Post
    This thread had a possibility or relevance,

    But the original post was so manipulative that it died right there.
    Then why comment, may I ask? If you do not have anything to offer the thread, then just leave and move on.

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