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Thread: Ice Dance Tech Doc for 2014-15 released Paso Doble SD

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    more generic spanish dance

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    For the benefit of those who are new to ice dance, I'll clarify some of the history and terminology. Apologies to those for whom this is old news.

    Originally ice dance competitions consisted of compulsory set pattern dances (in which everyone did the same steps in the same pattern with the same timing to the same few selections of music with the same rhythm and tempo), and free dances (in which each team chose their own music and made up their own choreography).
    Many of the set pattern dances were invented in England in the 1930s. One of those was the Paso Doble.
    Moiseeva/Minenkov 1981
    Duchesnay/Duchesnay 1992
    Klimova/Ponomarenko 1992
    novice dance team 2013
    Aside from the introductory steps and endings, every team does the same sequence of steps 2 or 3 times around the ice.
    In next year's Short Dance you will see every team do this exact same sequence of steps (invented by Reginald Wilkie and Daphne Wallis in 1938) once, immediately followed by a "partial step sequence" with a couple of required steps and the rest up to each skater's choice. (That's a brand new kind of element)

    Some Compulsory/Pattern dances have names that refer to the specific pattern (e.g., Westminster Waltz, Starlight Waltz). Others (Blues, Paso Doble, Quickstep) are only named for the dance rhythm, so it can be confusing when people or even the rules are referring to the rhythm in general or to the specific dance pattern.

    Starting in the early 1970s, a new phase of dance competition was introduced called the Original Set Pattern dance (OSP) in which a specific type of dance rhythm was required and each team made up their own steps and pattern that had to repeat around the two or three times.

    In 1984, the OSP required rhythm was the Paso Doble.
    Bestemianova/Bukin
    Torvill/Dean

    In 1991, the OSP was replaced by an Original Dance (OD) competition phase, in which the dance rhythm was specified and there might be some required elements and other requirements, but they didn't have to repeat around the ice.
    In 1996, the required OD rhythm was the Paso Doble.
    Grishuk/Platov
    Krylova/Ovsiannikov

    Starting in 2000, dancers were given a choice of three or more related rhythms, of which they could choose two or three to use in their OD. In 2002, one of the rhythms was Paso Doble.
    Denkova/Staviski
    Fusar Poli/Margaglio
    Anissina/Peizerat

    A handful of OSPs and Original Dances were later adapted and adopted as official pattern dances that everyone had to do as compulsories, but none from the Paso Doble years.

    Starting in 2011, the Compulsory Dance and the Original Dance were combined into one competition phase, now called the Short Dance.
    Like the Original Dance, there is usually a choice of dance rhythms and a number of required elements. One of the required elements is one of the established pattern dances, which has to be performed to music (of the skater's choice) that fits the rhythm and tempo requirements for that pattern. The music rest for the rest of the Short Dance has more options.

    Dance rhythms that do not already have an established pattern dance to go with them will never be the required part of the Short Dance but may be part of the pool of rhythms that teams can choose from that year.

    How authentically the teams translate the off-ice dances to ice will vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Dance rhythms that do not already have an established pattern dance to go with them will never be the required part of the Short Dance but may be part of the pool of rhythms that teams can choose from that year.
    Thank you, that's the point that explains many things
    I've never been a huge fan of ice dance exactly because I was always hearing the same dances, but now I know why
    so no hope for rock'n'roll or modern dances

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    Quote Originally Posted by alebi View Post
    so no hope for rock'n'roll or modern dances
    Not likely in Short Dances, unless the ISU develops a new rock'n'roll set pattern, possibly derived from one of the 1983 OSPs or the 1998 or 2004 ODs.

    However, rock'n'roll and modern dance themes are pretty common in the Free Dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Nice!!!

    We need to go beyond the usual skating choreographers and bring in someone edgier, like say the folks from "So You Think You Can Dance" or maybe music video choreographers who actually create these steps for major pop / hip-hop artists. Would add something refreshing. Hope it works and isn't a poor fit. Max Trankov is a major hip-hop fan and IIRC he loves Jay-Z's music, maybe he and Tania could do something for next year's FS? I would've thought the judges might not take to it, but their music edit for Jesus Christ Superstar was so bizarre that I think they'll overlook aesthetic choice if a top team can deliver the technical goods.

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    Well, pairs can skate to whatever music they want, especially now that vocal music will be allowed. They'll prefer rhythms that help them execute the big technical tricks. Whatever they can express well with skating skills in between should help their PCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Well, pairs can skate to whatever music they want, especially now that vocal music will be allowed. They'll prefer rhythms that help them execute the big technical tricks. Whatever they can express well with skating skills in between should help their PCS.
    I really hope the majority will stick with non vocals. I find the vocals a distraction when it comes to skating, even in Ice Dance. There are very few cases in which vocals are very well suited in a performance, like V&M "Funny Face" routine for example.

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