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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Again, a reminder that SOTNIKOVA was "the next big thing" in Russia for 3 seasons without ever winning a GP event.
    Didn't she have some Euro medals though? I don't think this is exclusive to GP events, but Gracie needs to start medaling at international competitions. 4CC, GP's, whatever. Otherwise she might not hang onto her #1 spot nationally, especially if Ashley keeps winning/medaling at GP's (she got a gold and a silver last year) and doing well at the GPF (bronze last year, silver the year before).

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsaneLily87 View Post
    Didn't she have some Euro medals though? I don't think this is exclusive to GP events, but Gracie needs to start medaling at international competitions. 4CC, GP's, whatever. Otherwise she might not hang onto her #1 spot nationally, especially if Ashley keeps winning/medaling at GP's (she got a gold and a silver last year) and doing well at the GPF (bronze last year, silver the year before).
    She has 2 silver medals from 2013/14 Euros. She also has 6 Grand Prix medals 3 silver and 3 bronze. Not a bad competitive record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe Nero View Post
    Chuckm, this is (more or less) what's called an "ad hominem" argument. Instead of challenging the claim made (that she successfully completed the jumps), you attack the credibility of the people who said so. Just refer to the video, chuckm, and say whether you think she made the rotations or not. If you cannot do this, well, cease commenting.
    I actually did the research on Adelina's lutzes, which included her three years in the GP, her Euros in 2013 and 2014, and Worlds 2013 and WTT 2013, and the historical results were that Adelina attempted 17 lutzes of which 14 were deemed flutzes by the various technical panels, and only 3 passed muster. ALL of her lutzes at Euros, Worlds and WTT were called flutzes. Of course, if you add the Olympic statistic to the batch, that makes her 4 for 18.

    Past history shows that the vast majority of the time, Adelina does not have a correct lutz. It may also be that in some instances tech panels ignore her error.

    The poster in question claimed that Adelina has a clean lutz when clearly she does not, and gave that as evidence that Adelina would trounce Gracie Gold (who, btw DOES have a clean lutz) should they meet at Skate America.

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    I think the situation is tougher for Gracie next year. We will have Liza back, not sure if she can make it but this girl certainly has some big tricks, Radionova will be old enough for senior. Lots of crazy talents from Russia. At least I hope she can medal at 4CC and Skate America, Skate Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK's Winter View Post
    She has 2 silver medals from 2013/14 Euros. She also has 6 Grand Prix medals 3 silver and 3 bronze. Not a bad competitive record.
    Gracie has silver and bronze GP medals. She hasn't had the benefit of a full season in the JGP at age 14, plus 3 seasons in the GP as Sotnikova has had.

    It's a lot easier for the Russian girls to win Euros medals because with Korpi injured, their only real competition is Kostner, and they don't have to travel very far for the competition. It's harder for the US girls at 4CC against the Japanese, and they have to deal with jet lag with most of the competitions in Asia. What makes it even harder is that 4CC is usually scheduled little more than a week after US Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The poster in question claimed that Adelina has a clean lutz when clearly she does not, and gave that as evidence that Adelina would trounce Gracie Gold (who, btw DOES have a clean lutz) should they meet at Skate America.
    I'm pretty sure it was a sarcastic post. I do appreciate the research

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Gracie has silver and bronze GP medals. She hasn't had the benefit of a full season in the JGP at age 14, plus 3 seasons in the GP as Sotnikova has had.

    It's a lot easier for the Russian girls to win Euros medals because with Korpi injured, their only real competition is Kostner, and they don't have to travel very far for the competition. It's harder for the US girls at 4CC against the Japanese, and they have to deal with jet lag with most of the competitions in Asia. What makes it even harder is that 4CC is usually scheduled little more than a week after US Nationals.
    But Japanese ladies next year will be without Mao and Akiko. Asian ladies at the moment is in the transition phase. I think Gracie still has some chances in 4CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    I think the situation is tougher for Gracie next year. We will have Liza back, not sure if she can make it but this girl certainly has some big tricks, Radionova will be old enough for senior. Lots of crazy talents from Russia. At least I hope she can medal at 4CC and Skate America, Skate Canada.
    Gracie is the #3 seed and will get SA (as the host pick) plus whatever event Yulia and Anna don't want. If one of them wants Skate Canada, Gracie won't be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    sky_fly20 will stop joining her bandwagon... and throw her under the bus..


    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Yeah, I have to agree that she needs to win some international competitions such as Grand Prix events. Sasha Cohen and even Alissa Czisny have some Grand Prix golds under their respective belts. Have we had any other American ladies do that in recent years? It would be great if Gracie, or Ashley for that matter, could achieve that in the coming season. If they don't, then I don't hold out that much hope for them to make an impact outside the U.S.
    Actually, Ashley Wagner has won 3 GP golds (along with many silvers and bronzes, including at the GPF). She also has a 4CC gold.

    And if Gracie doesn't win any GP events, it's not the end of the world. Plenty of skaters peaked later on in their careers (Kostner and Wagner come to mind).

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    Agree with this. It isn't important to peak at the beginning of the season. Kostner rarely skated well in the GP, and in fact skated rather poorly early on. But by Euros, she began to hit her stride and was ready to peak at Worlds. This season, she reached her peak at Sochi and was clearly off her best at Worlds. Sotnikova had a rough early season this past year, struggling through the GP, making the GPF but bombing there. She then won Nationals and Euros before her OGM at Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    It's a lot easier for the Russian girls to win Euros medals because with Korpi injured, their only real competition is Kostner, and they don't have to travel very far for the competition. It's harder for the US girls at 4CC against the Japanese, and they have to deal with jet lag with most of the competitions in Asia. What makes it even harder is that 4CC is usually scheduled little more than a week after US Nationals.
    But let's be real here. It's a lot easier to make the US National team and get sent to 4 cc than for the Russian girls to make the team and get sent to Euros/Worlds which could vary from each event!! There is likely going to be a girl as good if not better than the US #1 locked out of a chance for a medal based on how tight it is in Russia. So it's probably fair to hold slightly higher expectations of Gracie IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Agree with this. It isn't important to peak at the beginning of the season. Kostner rarely skated well in the GP, and in fact skated rather poorly early on. But by Euros, she began to hit her stride and was ready to peak at Worlds. This season, she reached her peak at Sochi and was clearly off her best at Worlds. Sotnikova had a rough early season this past year, struggling through the GP, making the GPF but bombing there. She then won Nationals and Euros before her OGM at Sochi.
    OBM. But arguably should have been an OGM, and it was certainly the skates of a lifetime for her.

    Gold's issue is her FS. That's where she needs to put her focus (literally and figuratively). I don't think it matters what point in the season it is.

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    Gracie's breakout year could be next season or before 2016 Worlds
    where she will be the leading gold contender in home crowd

    once Gracie starts winning gold medals, there will be no stopping her from there
    her PCS will skyrocket even further, higher than Julia etc. on par with Mao and Carolina's PCS

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Gracie's breakout year could be next season or before 2016 Worlds
    where she will be the leading gold contender in home crowd

    once Gracie strats winning gold gold medals, there will be no stopping her from there
    her PCS will skyrocket even further, higher than Julia etc. on par with Mao and Carolina's PCS
    Can't wait to see this. Don't hold your breath though.. just in case, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Gracie's breakout year could be next season or before 2016 Worlds
    where she will be the leading gold contender in home crowd

    once Gracie starts winning gold medals, there will be no stopping her from there
    her PCS will skyrocket even further, higher than Julia etc. on par with Mao and Carolina's PCS
    Isn't Lipnitskaya pretty much almost caught up with Caro and Mao in PCS? Is she going to lose some over the next two seasons? My guess is Yulia will lose TES and gain PCS quicker than Gracie can spell it. Just my opinion.

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