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    Quote Originally Posted by gotoschool View Post
    I think you hit on something with Murakami and her feast or famine tech deductions because I only noticed her having a difficult time landing and rotating one double axel, though I don't have a video of her program in front of me and other posters such as chuck m above have noted that her UR's were obvious, so maybe I am missing something. What do other posters think? Personally, I was really shocked by the -12 points in deductions and her sub 60 PCS when I thought she actually skated quite well. Ditto for Suzuki. It also seemed strange that Mao had no deductions in her SP and -11 in her LP. The variance just seemed too large to be believed and made me wish we could go back to the 6.0 system when the jumps weren't analyzed under a microscope and artistry seemed to count for more. Though I do like the high octane tech content more under the COP system. In any case, I'm glad Murakami is staying. She has a warm spirit and energy I really like. Now if she can just improve the smoothness of her skating and her rotations. But honestly. I thought Murakami's performance in the LP was a lot better than the judges did.
    Personally I think the judges were too harsh on her. It's like a bad reputation among the tech panel and people would just assume Kanako could not made it. Even her SP in worlds seems to me that she was underscored.

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    I found Kanako's musicality and interpretation were quite moving, but let me put it this way: if she were singing, her diction would be mushy---that's how her jumps were. I could see she was going to get dinged for a jump because she'd get too low on the landing and then have to save it, or she'd land a jump and move out of it too quickly for it to have been completely rotated. I think Kanako was tired after the long season and she invested all her energy into the emotions of the performance instead of into its physical components. She was so happy with her performance, but I knew her TES was going to get slashed. It was sad to see her face change in the KnC from joy to crushing disappointment.

    She does need to find a balance between emotional and athletic performance, and she has to work on the athletic part first and foremost. Every season isn't going to be as tough as this one was, so she can take some consolation in that.

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    She really needs to focus on her technique. Needs to get stronger to get a bit more height and muscle around that extra rotation. As much as people want to whine that the tech panel is giving her unfair UR calls, if every panel is doing it and if she's getting many of them (including 2 URs called in her SP, and 6 URs called in her FS on home ice), you need to stop blaming the tech specialists who are consistently calling it as they see it and actually look to the skater.

    As a skater, she's beautiful to watch, and arguably deserving of higher PCS, but I'm betting the judges lowball her when they see all those <'s. Her programs last year were some of my favourites. I'm glad she's staying! Hopefully without being in the shadow of Asada and Suzuki, she'll have more confidence.

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    I think their treatment on Murakami is due to her #3 position among Japanese ladies. It was not clear in past two seasons. Actually she was the #2 at London worlds (as a result, Suzuki was treated harshly). Only she could not live up to the expectations in this season (save for 4cc in Taiwan). If she becomes the #1 Japanese lady in next season, her problems will be "improved" or "reduced" drastically. However it's not an automatic development. Miyahara could make strong performances during the GP season and take the position from Murakami. Murakami can't afford to lose the confidence further. She must prove that she can be counted on. Therefore she doesn't have the luxury of correcting techniques. Prepare well and skate like at 4CC from the beginning of the season. Anyway, I expect Miyahara will be the #1 in due course. Her technical problems are less obvious than Murakami and much more consistent. It's better to prop up Miyahara to be more competitive at international competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    It's better to prop up Miyahara to be more competitive at international competitions.
    If they want Miyahara to be their #1, they have to do it now. In a few years Marin will step over both of them for sure. The kid has the whole package, talent and star power. They need to hype her up for the next OG same strategy with Julia. The judges and the skating fans will love her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    As much as people want to whine that the tech panel is giving her unfair UR calls, if every panel is doing it and if she's getting many of them (including 2 URs called in her SP, and 6 URs called in her FS on home ice), you need to stop blaming the tech specialists who are consistently calling it as they see it.
    But the problem is, tech panels "see it" wrong because they aren't trained properly. Since Murakami has odd technique, and they aren't actually scientifically measuring the rotation, they just throw a < at jumps that seem close or have some kind of waver on the landing.

    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    Anyway, I expect Miyahara will be the #1 in due course. Her technical problems are less obvious than Murakami.
    Miyahara's problems are currently much worse than Murakami's. Her "3Lutz+3Toe" combination should frequently be getting called as 3Lutz< + 3Toe<<. However, yet again, the tech panels aren't paying close enough attention to where the takeoffs actually start. Miyahara pulls around REALLY far on her toepick during all of her takeoffs and often doesn't get punished for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    But the problem is, tech panels "see it" wrong because they aren't trained properly. Since Murakami has odd technique, and they aren't actually scientifically measuring the rotation, they just throw a < at jumps that seem close or have some kind of waver on the landing.
    Do you think Murakami should attempt to fix her flutz and change her technique to a less unorthodox method? Her 3T-3T often gets called but I think it would get a pass more often if her other jumps didn't look so strange. We saw Asada rework her flip successfully and fail to fix her flutz, but she had to work on all 6 triples and tweak the 2A. Murakami would only need to work on 2 triples.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    She really needs to focus on her technique. Needs to get stronger to get a bit more height and muscle around that extra rotation. As much as people want to whine that the tech panel is giving her unfair UR calls, if every panel is doing it and if she's getting many of them (including 2 URs called in her SP, and 6 URs called in her FS on home ice), you need to stop blaming the tech specialists who are consistently calling it as they see it and actually look to the skater.
    It's not every panel that hammers her. Remember how she scored at 2014 4CC? I really don't think home ice matters that much when you're the #3 Japanese lady if you're getting your TES reduced by 20 points that stayed with you at your "away" competitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Do you think Murakami should attempt to fix her flutz and change her technique to a less unorthodox method? Her 3T-3T often gets called but I think it would get a pass more often if her other jumps didn't look so strange. We saw Asada rework her flip successfully and fail to fix her flutz, but she had to work on all 6 triples and tweak the 2A. Murakami would only need to work on 2 triples.
    It would be unrealistic to change your jumping technique this late. Once you're past your junior days, it's difficult to unlearn things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Do you think Murakami should attempt to fix her flutz and change her technique to a less unorthodox method?
    Of course she should attempt to fix the flutz, but after 4 years as a senior competitor it hasn't improved. I'm sure they must have tried to work on it. She just might not be able to do a real Triple Lutz. It's not an easy jump.

    Taking baby steps to clean up her jumps would be good. An overhaul would surely be detrimental, though. I would focus on trying to curve her axel and toeloop around a little more on the takeoff (she actually doesn't get enough pre-rotation in these jumps a lot of the time) and trying to get the timing on the Triple Loop better between the lower body and upper body.

    She should just stick to one Lutz and one Flip in the LP. Her layout earlier this season with two Triple Loops was really good. The 3Loop+2Loop that she was attempting last season was excellent as well. She got totally screwed over with < calls on that last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Miyahara's problems are currently much worse than Murakami's. Her "3Lutz+3Toe" combination should frequently be getting called as 3Lutz< + 3Toe<<. However, yet again, the tech panels aren't paying close enough attention to where the takeoffs actually start. Miyahara pulls around REALLY far on her toepick during all of her takeoffs and often doesn't get punished for it.
    I'm pretty sure Miyahara's 3Lz-3T is OK when she becomes the #1. They are on the borderline most of the time, not obviously UR'ed. A liittle "propping up" will fix the problem.

    Murakami's flutz is one of the worst, practically impossible to fix it. Her base values are lower than Miyahara (4 points in total). Miyahara is more consistent and better in spins. Murakami is going on 20 years old. In a common sense, she has already passed the prime of her physical strength. Technically the choice is obvious. Miyahara will be able to compete with the top with a little of "propping up".

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    People need to stop enabling her saying the judges are trained improperly and they've got it wrong. Everyone is getting equally measured and if Kanako is getting so many UR calls for supposedly fully rotated jumps don't you think anyone else would get UR calls as much as she does? She needs to fix her technique, the judges aren't going to be any less critical of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    I'm pretty sure Miyahara's 3Lz-3T is OK when she becomes the #1.
    Yes, your skating does magically become better as soon as you're the #1 of your nation. *sigh*

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Everyone is getting equally measured.
    Oh come on now. And even if they were, the measuring stick would still have to be calibrated correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    People need to stop enabling her saying the judges are trained improperly and they've got it wrong. Everyone is getting equally measured and if Kanako is getting so many UR calls for supposedly fully rotated jumps don't you think anyone else would get UR calls as much as she does? She needs to fix her technique, the judges aren't going to be any less critical of her.
    I take your point, although I'm not entirely convinced that judges (tech panel) always makes the right calls, for whatever reason...!

    And even if everything was fair and 100% objective (impossible), I also think there is more to it anyway. I think once a skater gets a reputation for under-rotation, they are subjected to more reviews and closer scrutiny by the technical panel, than other skaters... and at that point it becomes unfair:

    It may mean that other skaters "get away with stuff" occasionally, whereas the one with a "reputation" never gets a break.

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    Murakami has never been a talented jumper. She couldn't land fully rotated 3(f)lutzs and 3flips until 14 years old. She never attempted the 3loop when she was a junior. The flip is the most secure jump for her but the hammer toe looks ugly and hampering higher GOE. Even the 2A is prone to errors. For most of ladies, the age around 16-17 years old is the peak of jumping abilities. After that, their best efforts are centered on not losing jumps they already have. I'm very pessimistic about Murakami's jumps. It won't get any better than now.

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    Kanako has such a delightful personality and energy when she performs well. I was particularly struck by how emotional she was at Japan Nationals this year. OBVIOUSLY the stress of needing to skate well to make the Japanese Olympic team was something bordering on unimaginable for any normal person, but still, that kind of stress, even when one gets through it as successfully as she did, can take its toll on someone. I hope she continues but the dynamics of going through life as a top skater in Japan are quite something.

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