04-14-2014, 08:38 AM
Thank you for this insight into another culture most interesting and informative!
-These are polite words from a Japanese...but they are 100% truthful.
04-14-2014, 08:41 AM
well, coming from an ex.communist country myself ... I can´t really see whats the big deal about.
he was asked a question and his answer was not overly polite but nowhere near as rude/disrespectful as some of you want to believe it was. Actually, in my country no-one would even wink at this type of comment.
Cultural differences? - of course. practically what aschitza wrote in her/his comment.
04-14-2014, 08:44 AM
Love popcorn, hate horrendous costumes.
It is really different in my country, I guess it's Asian things. But I can relate to you. I don't think what Plushy said is a big deal or insult.
Originally Posted by baterka
04-14-2014, 09:14 AM
Russia is in general indifferent towards PC. Some things are not tolerated but they are quite specific. On the other hand, I do not see it as a pure cultural thing. People in the West are born now in the PC environment so that they tend to think it is normal. Same as we in the USSR truly believed that we were the happiest people on earth, and US was evil - it was just the upbringing. One could see it in "free areas". Brothers Gallagher alone said so many nasty things about fellow musicians publicly that one would hardly collect from all the Russian musicians. As for Pluschenko, he has to be defensive due to the situation he fell into. And I see no reasons he had to praise Kovtun after he was provoked by the journalist. I wish he just dropped the word "average".
Originally Posted by aschiutza
04-14-2014, 10:18 AM
Voronov was robbed of the Olympics twice. He was robbed even worse in 2010. Nobody should even talk about Kovtun after coming 5th at Europeans. It is a total joke anyone would dare say he was robbed of the Olympics.
Originally Posted by Buttercup
Yeah and what would Kovtun get for components skating for Azerbaijen. Still 8s, keep dreaming.
Originally Posted by Components
04-14-2014, 10:37 AM
Originally Posted by GGoldberg
He was awarded on that day. Plushenko got Badge of honor "For the merit to St. Petersburg" http://evgeni-plushenko.com/forum/vi...p=83293#p83293 Do you think he wants more capture media attention? He was asked and he answered.
Appearance of the athletes in the Russian media during the Games:
First : Evgeni Plushenko cca 18000
Second: Maxim Trankov cca 10.000
This is the original interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfnrP8aPGJE
Short translation of Plushy's statement to journalists, at today's reception of St. Petersburg's governor, where Petersburg's Olympians were rewarded ...
- inter-vertebral disc is coalesced and everything is OK
- he will start training for the shows for 1,5-2 months
- about his successors: Plushy congratulated Menshov and Voronov for Europeans.... Kovtun is good, but a average skater - Plushy dont see in him any "super-technique", we will see what will happen with him in the future... In Russia, a promising juniors is Alexander Petrov, Adyan Pitkeev.... Yuzuru Hanyu - which is only 19 years old, has grandiose programs, super-technique, charisma. He is the future of figure skating...
"retold" in more russian newspapers-->sport.ru--> volk (who is a Plushy hater) brought here.. I don't se any PR action for foreign fans...
Yes. This is my experience the Russian sport journalism like the tabloids. Awful. The journalists like to provoke the Russian athletes, and sometimes they don't write the truth. Trankov the new celebrated champion showed " dislike" sign for the Russian media 2-3 weeks ago..
Originally Posted by firstname.lastname@example.org
04-14-2014, 10:53 AM
04-14-2014, 11:09 AM
CSG! You don't know what are you talking about ..that is good Voronov and Menshov know Plushenko very well.. For example Menshov was who defended Plushy after Rus Nat Champ ..Menshov said Plushy was very angry with himself, because he did many mistakes..But he can skate far better he saw his traning...
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
04-14-2014, 11:15 AM
Voronov and Menshov are good friends with Plushy, and have been for years. CSG as always is clueless to all things reality.
04-14-2014, 11:22 AM
Of course, and they would continue to be as long as they never beat him. You think if Voronov beat Plushenko at Nationals and subsequently came 2nd at Euros, Plushenko would concede the Sochi spot saying Voronov deserves it over him?! No, he would have gone on a bashing spree of how Voronov has done poorly internationally and at Worlds, and do everything to make sure Voronov didn't replace him as the Sochi representative.
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
Yagudin... Lysacek... now Kovtun... Plushenko clearly has the nicest sentiments towards those who defeat him.
04-14-2014, 11:27 AM
Add to the list Hanyu who beat him in Sochi. Like you said, nicest sentiments!
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
04-14-2014, 11:31 AM
Also add Joubert.
Originally Posted by nimi
04-14-2014, 11:32 AM
Joubert and Sandhu have actually beaten Plushy at relevant events (Europeans and grand prix final in his prime), unlike Kovtun who beat at 31 year old Plushenko at nationals (lol), and he was high in praise of both skaters (despite their winning only through his mistakes) after the events, and the years to come. He in fact couldnt stop praising Sandhu's skating to press up until 2006 and saying he was the skater he most feared. Of course that makes sense when Sandhu actually was a special skater when he had his head on straight, not a good average skater like Kovtun.
04-15-2014, 11:53 AM
Plushy and Menshov :
(It's a cute photo, okay? What other reason do I need to post it? )
And the implacable hatred of Plushy for anyone who has ever beaten him - here he's talking about Brian on his retirement (via Googletranslate):
"Brian managed an incredible career. He is the only survivor against which I fought that is always there. This is all the more impressive that it remains competitive for the Games, as I am. It represents the physical skating, muscular, powerful, pleasing the public. His contribution to the sport is priceless. Brian is very popular, admired around the world. In Russia, it is a true star. This is why I invited my tour in Russia after the Games. And also because I consider him a friend. "
I first posted this here:
Funny that no one started a NEWS! thread about this... ? I wonder why that was... ? Or, in fact, any POSITIVE comment that Plushy ever made - and there are lots of them - lots. Any thoughts on why that is... ? No? Oh, well then.
I suppose everyone needs a hobby. For some, it is searching out potentially controversial comments and starting threads about them. Or, in spending hours in trying to prove that a legend of the sport is, in fact, nothing but a bitter, hateful, jealous, mediocre hack, who is just green with envy at the brilliance that is Maxim Kovtun*. Me, persoally, I enjoy reading - 'tis my passion in life. But, to each their own, I suppose.
*and I'm not "bashing" or "slamming" Kovtun. In fact, I rather like him. In fact, I suspect I probably like him better than most of the people who are currently using him as a tool with which to attack Plushy. While I certainly wouldn't say I'm a "fan" and there are many skaters I like better - I think this is a pity. Surely he deserves true, sincere fans, just like any other skater? Not just people who wish him well, because they imagine this is "sticking it to" Plushenko. But... oh well...
04-15-2014, 11:59 AM