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    I think Farris was also competing internationally as a junior during his first senior nationals where he placed 4th. During that season, he lost JGPF to Kovtun and won junior worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I like Farris but he had better make a move soon. Falling behind the younger Jason Brown who doesnt even have a quad isnt a good sign for him. While CSG clearly overrated Kovtun's abilities at the moment, I dont think anyone would say Brown is above Kovtun right now, and Farris is firmly behind Brown after last season.
    I don't see how suggesting he could win a GP (after 2 GP silvers last year) and suggesting he can crack 95 with a clean SP (I doubt anyone would have guessed Machida could get 98) and 170+ which he mathematically would have got at Worlds with a clean 4S, leading to a rather competitive score of 260-265 is so far fetched. He can crack 260 next season which is enough for most podiums, potentially even the GPF and Worlds if Machida and Fernandez falter and if Chan stays out.

    Plenty of skaters have been underestimated who have performed more inferior to Fernandez/Machida/top guys like Ten, but lit it up at the right time and it benefited them. Kovtun with FS errors still beat a sloppy Fernandez last season so who's to say it can't happen again where Kovtun beats Machida (who scored just 233 at the GPF) or Fernandez (who scored below 230 a CoR) just last season. Ice is slippery as they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I'm sorry, but I don't think any Canadian or American singles skater has ever received personal best PCS with just 3-triples, and I don't think any American or Canadian pair/ice dancer has ever received a personal best score with a fall. Both happened at CoR.

    NHK with Akiko being held below Mao was pretty bad too.

    Gotta love TEB and Cup of China being the prettier sisters... although I'm sure if either country had well-rounded disciplines you'd see more politicking/PCS boosts for their skaters, too.
    What do you mean, personal best? I assume you're talking about Yulia. Her score for LP was 13 points lower than her LP score at SC a few weeks before. She still executed a higher percentage of her higher base value. Carolina beat her in the LP by 4 points. You could argue which one really deserved to be "First" but to me at that particular competition the Gold Medal didn't really belong to either of them so I'm alright with the result. It would be completely different if Carolina had skated well and still lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I don't see how suggesting he could win a GP (after 2 GP silvers last year) and suggesting he can crack 95 with a clean SP (I doubt anyone would have guessed Machida could get 98) and 170+ which he mathematically would have got at Worlds with a clean 4S, leading to a rather competitive score of 260-265 is so far fetched. He can crack 260 next season which is enough for most podiums, potentially even the GPF and Worlds if Machida and Fernandez falter and if Chan stays out.

    Plenty of skaters have been underestimated who have performed more inferior to Fernandez/Machida/top guys like Ten, but lit it up at the right time and it benefited them. Kovtun with FS errors still beat a sloppy Fernandez last season so who's to say it can't happen again where Kovtun beats Machida (who scored just 233 at the GPF) or Fernandez (who scored below 230 a CoR) just last season. Ice is slippery as they say.
    Ten was not underestimated. Nobody could have reasonably predicted his podiums at major events (and they were aided by epic splatfests which were amongst the worst in history which also couldnt have been reasonably anticipated). I have already said however IMO Ten on a good day is quite clearly a better skater than Kovtun even at his potential best, atleast as he is now. If the judges scored it something different than that, then either Kovtun is being overrated or Ten is being underrated (as he already was, particularly at the 2013 worlds).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabel_O'Reilly View Post
    What do you mean, personal best? I assume you're talking about Yulia. Her score for LP was 13 points lower than her LP score at SC a few weeks before. She still executed a higher percentage of her higher base value. Carolina beat her in the LP by 4 points. You could argue which one really deserved to be "First" but to me at that particular competition the Gold Medal didn't really belong to either of them so I'm alright with the result. It would be completely different if Carolina had skated well and still lost.
    Her components scores for her freeskate ar COR was a personal best. As in, with just 3 triples executed (and a fall), she got the highest artistic scores she had achieved up to that point - more than Skate Canada where she went clean with 7 triples. It was as deplorable as Kostner getting a PCS personal best for her 3-triple FS at this past Worlds. I suppose it was a favour being returned.

    Kostner also should have definitely won the SP over Lipnitskaia who benefited from her flutz being neglected and from outrageous PCS boosting that was typical of Russian skaters in that competition, along with their main competitors' scores being held back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Ten was not underestimated. Nobody could have reasonably predicted his podiums at major events (and they were aided by epic splatfests which were amongst the worst in history which also couldnt have been reasonably anticipated). I have already said however IMO Ten on a good day is quite clearly a better skater than Kovtun even at his potential best, atleast as he is now. If the judges scored it something different than that, then either Kovtun is being overrated or Ten is being underrated (as he already was, particularly at the 2013 worlds).
    Ten has given two good competitions and the rest have been pretty poor. Lucky for him both competitions have been 2013 Worlds and 2014 Olympics but he gives no indication in early season about his potential success at big events.

    He's a bit of a Laetitia Hubert in that he could place 1st or last depending on which one of him shows up.

    I was saying he was underestimated before 2013 Worlds (NOBODY could have predicted him to do so well - he smashed his PB by like 27 points or something like that). His ability to give that performance was underestimated, never mind the splatfests that ensured his medaling.

    I think Ten is a better skater than Kovtun overall, but like Ten I think Kovtun has the potential to surprise. The results of 2014 Worlds are uncharacteristic in that it was by far the best event ever for a men's podium (all scoring 275 or higher). But each of those skaters has scored season lows of 234.80 (Hanyu), 236.03 (Machida), 226.99 (Fernandez), so several skaters can best them if they're having an off day, including Kovtun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I like Farris but he had better make a move soon. Falling behind the younger Jason Brown who doesnt even have a quad isnt a good sign for him.
    Um...

    1. Farris is younger than Brown.

    2. Farris and Brown have consistently swapped places since they were ten years old. One would be ahead, the other would catch up, then go ahead, then the other would catch up.

    3. Farris was also injured during the last season. He and Brown had identical GP debuts - 5th - though Farris was the top American at Skate Canada while Brown was the third. But Farris had to withdraw before COR.

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    If Josh can finally start landing his quads and get consistent he will blow past Kotvun. He's a vastly superior skater overall.

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    Hi all! I think that I missed it, but when do the GP series assignments get announced? I remember it usually being in the summer IIRC. I'm trying to plan a trip, likely to Skate America or Skate Canada, and SC tix go on sale tomorrow. I can assume certain star athletes will get their home assignments (e.g. Gracie for SA, W/P, D/R for SC, Yulia and V/T for COR), but am waiting until I see the full slate of competitors to decide which one to attend. Thanks!

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    The GP session will be held on June 27.

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    Great, thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The GP session will be held on June 27.

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    The National Team for next season hasn't even been officially determined yet, so it's still early. The current National Team technically expires next week (April 30).

    http://www.skatecanada.ca/en-us/athl...ionalteam.aspx

    So the new one has not been announced yet. We have to remember that Tessa & Scott, Patrick Chan, Jeremy Ten, etc. have not made final decisions as to whether they are competing next year, and so Skate Canada still has to determine who is going to be in the Top 5 in each category. This won't happen until May.

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    V/M recently said they would not be competing for the rest of 2014, but made no mention of their plans beyond that point. Obviously, though, they won't be in the GP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    V/M recently said they would not be competing for the rest of 2014, but made no mention of their plans beyond that point. Obviously, though, they won't be in the GP.
    The way the commentators were going on about them in Sochi, it seemed like a career summation / valedictory of some kind. I don't expect them to be back, they'll yield the floor to W/P. I'll miss them, they had few equals.

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    Yes, you are right that it sounds like V&M are getting ready to hand over to W&P. Especially now that W&P moved onto the podium in their absence. And with G&P and P&I getting into the Top 10, they're leaving Canadian ice dance in solid hands and now strong enough to maintain 3 spots.

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