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    I'm a new fan of figure skating and as a new viewer I can say that is such a hard sport to understand.
    I have watched gymnastics practically my entire and I thought those rules were confusing for the first time viewer or people who only watch for the olympics, but fs is in another level...
    Anyways, for new fans who really want to get into the sport they want to find out where the points come from and what I find really useful for new gymnastics fans are score guides (insert gymnast name + D score in YT and you will find practically every routine) where a routine plays in the bg while the names of the elements appear with its difficulty value and combination bonuses and the difficulty of the whole routine at the end, so it helps for people to understand why X gymnasts didnt get a good score if it seemed like a clean routine because at the end it wasnt as difficult as it needed to be. Since those guides helped new gym fans to understand some elements I immediately tried to find those kind of guides for figure skating (because at first glance and for the untrained eye everthing looks as the same jump except for axels) and all I found in YT were like selftrained jumps (or its just me and my poorly searchin technique)
    So videos saying what element is a skater performing would make life easier to new fans IMO. The trend picked up so good in the gymnastics enviroment that the FIG channel (the ISU in fs) is making videos explaining skills and deductions.

    Also for any person familiar to "subjective" sports know that its almost impossible to come up with multiple programs in a year.

    I really think that easy to find info is really the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna K. View Post
    In ballroom dance competitions, dancers perform the same routines to different music. What exactly makes it impossible in the case of ice dance?
    With compulsory dances they did that all the time.

    If the short dance rules were to require only one rhythm and tempo throughout, then they should be able to switch to a different song with the same rhythm and tempo and stay on beat for the whole dance. Some of the nuances choreographed specifically for one piece of music might get lost with a different piece.

    Any SDs that switch between rhythms require special editing, so every other musical selection would also have to be specially edited the same way. Not very practical.

    Free dances don't have to be a standard ballroom rhythm, so it would be very unlikely to find different music that fits exactly the same shape as the choreography.

    Quote Originally Posted by pamela View Post
    So videos saying what element is a skater performing would make life easier to new fans IMO. The trend picked up so good in the gymnastics enviroment that the FIG channel (the ISU in fs) is making videos explaining skills and deductions.
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    I really think that easy to find info is really the key.
    So in the past decade or less that youtube has been around, gymnastics fans started the trend of making and sharing educational videos, and the federations picked up on that trend and started doing the same?

    I don't have the video-editing skills to do anything like that. It certainly would be good if some skating fans who do have both the skating knowledge and the would make such learning tools and post them to youtube.

    What kind of details do you want information on? The Figure Skating References forum here at Golden Skate is a good source of information.

    Check out my posts in the Edges and turns for examples of the basic moves of actual skating, aside from the elements; dorispulaski has started a few threads about ice dance elements; and others have also contributed useful information.

    Feel free to start a new thread there requesting focus on specific kinds of skills.

    I can only link to existing videos and give explanations on the forum next to the links.
    I don't know how to make a new video that would combine my comments with new or existing video.

    Even better if skating federations or broadcasters would develop audience-education videos from scratch, illustrating moves in isolation with informative commentary -- for sale on DVD, or as online posts. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be their priority.

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    There is a reason why I asked.

    There was an ice dance couple that I particularly liked because their programs were so different. I eventually ended up watching their routines on Youtube over and over again and then I realized that they… kept doing the same tricks in changed order and sometimes even that was the same! Just, their choice of music and costumes made their programs look different – even surprisingly different – every time. Of course the FD is a rather long performance and some storytelling is supposed to be here so it could hardly be skated with occasional music; but I think there are always several pieces of music/mixes suitable for the same routine if the novelty effect was demanded. Should it be demanded? That is of course another question. New costumes may cost a fortune and I’m afraid that skaters actually don’t earn that much

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    So in the past decade or less that youtube has been around, gymnastics fans started the trend of making and sharing educational videos, and the federations picked up on that trend and started doing the same?

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    Since last year the FIG channel started posting educational videos, not with a huge amount of info like the fan made ones but they are explaining the "judge slang" in which the CoP is written and the new skills gymnasts submitted at last years worlds. And we consider it as a huge step for gymnastics being more understanble for the occasional viewer.
    Its crazy what fans can do for the love of the sport (and free time of course). There are guides with literally every skill in the CoP and the exact music cuts gymnasts use in their floor exercises.

    Also in tumblr, people are making gif guides of elements and giving a "new fan" explaination to them, that I find really useful.

    And thank your for those links, I've reading for hours the different threads in the Reference section over and over again (when I like a sport I want to know everthing about it hahaha) and Im very proud to say that I can finally see the difference between a lutz and a flutz!! I will ask you if I cant understand something

    One more thing, I find it incredible that the ISU post the protocols after minutes the competition is over. Once someone posts the video on youtube, I have the protocol in hand and I learn the skills names and values and some how get a clue of how the GOEs work.

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    I didn't even watch this weekend...a big reason is that I was busy editing photos from the SOI show I attended, but honestly, a combination of "viewer fatigue" from the long Olympic season and general disinterest brought about by what transpired over the past month or so led to me not caring, really.

    I'm not even sure I'm fully committed to following next season at this point. I'll still attend shows and stuff (great photo-taking opportunities), but as far as competitive skating goes I may be done for the moment. Wake me up when something interesting happens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I didn't even watch this weekend...a big reason is that I was busy editing photos from the SOI show I attended…
    Report? (With links to photos, pretty please. )

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    I said this in a different thread, but I don't think that casual American viewers will start caring about skating until we get more American ladies on international podiums. Unfortunately, for most Americans, figure skating = the ladies' individual event. (D/W and Evan didn't really begin to enjoy mainstream attention until after their careers were over).

    I think that CoP has turned off casual viewers as well. They don't understand edge calls and URs, and wonder how someone can bomb the LP and still win a championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Report? (With links to photos, pretty please. )
    Sent you a PM.

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    This "problem" is really discouraging and some casual viewers' reactions are pretty stupid. I mean even when you're listening to a song it always plays the same, so you should stop listening to it once you've heard it, isn't?
    Ok you can hear a live version, an acoustic version and so on.. but why, then, do you buy the album? On the album you'll always hear the same version.... But figure skating doesn't work as a RECORDED song since a human luckily can't perform any time the same exact excercise and if you watch FS all the season you notice the differences from a performance to another, from the first performance of the season to the final and usually most refined version.
    And there's no difference with any other sport since even when you're watching, for example, soccer you always see players passing a ball for 90+ minutes and SOMETIMES doing a goal... so isn't it boring and always the same too? No, it's not, if you enjoy watching the sport only for the pleasure of it and are able to get the details. If you're expecting fireworks or special effects everytime then you should find another hobby and I also think you have a very little sport culture in general.

    Ok... after my long rant (sorry!) I have only a suggestion... Since casual viewers want more different performances and figure skating needs more popularity then TVs and ISU should promote and broadcast more off-season shows. For me this isn't not a sport, just a plus you can watch to enjoy but if this can help to bring more followers it's ok to me

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    My mom thinks Meryl and Charlie have romantic chemistry

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    My mom thinks Meryl and Charlie have romantic chemistry
    Really?
    And my mum said Yulia looked like an angel. so true!
    And my aunt said this when she saw Yuzuru performed: "That's not a girl?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    And my aunt said this when she saw Yuzuru performed: "That's not a girl?"

    So, in addition to trying to explain the various jumps and points and elements and levels and edge calls to the casual viewers, they also should explain how you can tell girls and slender skater boys apart based on the color of their skates and the fact that boys don't wear tights? (Which is a pity, considering how many shapely legs there are in any given men's event.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Really?
    And my mum said Yulia looked like an angel. so true!
    And my aunt said this when she saw Yuzuru performed: "That's not a girl?"
    I know... thus "casual viewer" - even Stephen Colbert said something to Meryl and Charlie, "If this isn't real, then all love is fake" - paraphrasing.

    Skating fans have analyzed and discussed a great deal on chemistry and have thought more about the subject than the average person.

    Still, DW having romantic chemistry is one of the funniest things I've heard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    I know... thus "casual viewer" - even Stephen Colbert said something to Meryl and Charlie, "If this isn't real, then all love is fake" - paraphrasing.

    Skating fans have analyzed and discussed a great deal on chemistry and have thought more about the subject than the average person.

    Still, DW having romantic chemistry is one of the funniest things I've heard...
    Colbert should go home, he is drunk!

    Anyways, about the casual viewers, I would love if they make short films about skating with beautiful special effects maybe. Like a series of episodes, each has a theme, a story for the skater to tell. And they can invite skaters from all over the world to join the project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Colbert should go home, he is drunk!

    Anyways, about the casual viewers, I would love if they make short films about skating with beautiful special effects maybe. Like a series of episode, each has a theme, a story for the skater to tell. And they can invite skaters from all over the world to join the project.
    Red Bull makes movies like that for pretty much all extreme sports. It would be a good model to follow and would definitely grow the sport. Watch any Red Bull snowboard video and tell me there isn't an artistic side to it. Cultural differences sure but there is little denying how much those videos have grown and progressed the sport.

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