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    Skaters who revolutionized/made an impact in Figure Skating

    while some skaters might be more liked/ talked about
    it time we make a thread for the real legends / skaters who revolutioned FS

    Ladies
    * Cecilia Colledge - the original innovator of ladies FS, enough said
    * Sonja Henie - her skating records rival that of her stardom status, the epitome of female hollywood skater, made the trend for short skirt for ladies
    * Dorothy Hamil - introduced posture, elegance and refinement in ladies FS
    * Elaine Zayak - pushed the number of triples the ladies can attempt in FS, has a rule named after her thanks to that, lol
    * Midori Ito - a skater ahead of her time, still the best jumping machine
    * Yuna Kim - consistency aside, she boosted CoP relevance for 3LZ-3T and 2Axels
    * Mao Asada - her 3A attemps could be more legendary than her whole career history

    Men
    * Ulrich Salchow - the men's equivalent for Sonia Henie, World gold record holders and invented new jump
    * Dick Button - the equivalent of Colledge, introduced innovations in men's FS
    * John Curry - equivalent of Dorothy, introduced men's refinement , posture in FS
    * Elvis Stojko - the original quad jumper
    * Evgeni Plushenko - the face for 6.0 era, a man who has competed in different scoring eras
    * Yuzuru Hanyu - the face for CoP, has pushed the envelope for maximing points

    Pairs
    * the Propotovs - There will be no modern Pairs today if it werent for the Propotovs, the greatest and the prototype of the modern pairs skating
    * Mishkutenok /Dmitriev- introduced dynamism, difficulty and charisma in pairs skating
    * Berezhnaya / Sikhuralidze- showed pairs skating is elegant, refined posture that every skater should aspire
    * Shen / Zhao - introduced acrobatics in lifts, twists and pairs skating longevity can go up to where you want to go

    Ice Dance
    * Pakhomova / Gorshkov forget Torvil/Dean, it was G/P who revolutionized Ice dance, they were the prototypes of what is now Ice Dancing
    * Klimova / Ponomarenko - introduced charisma, Ice Dance is not just elements back then, they showed true Ice Dance presentation
    * Davis / White - combined dynamism, athleticism and power

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    Denise Biellman !! Um..they named a spin after her. First Lady to do a 3lz in competition too I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I agree on your choices except Hanyu. I dont think he has done anything to revolutionize the sport yet. I am not even sure if Plushenko did anything to revolutionize the sport either. Stojko was the one who initiated the new quad trend, Plushenko was just one of many who helped to perfect it further.

    I would say Torvill & Dean definititely revolutionized dance. They were the first to really create the theme based programs and pull them off so effectively, yet still mantain the highest technical level with it.

    I would say Grischuk & Platov did too by bringing speed and attack in ice dancing to a new level.

    I would say Virtue & Moir perhaps also for bringing romance and the man-women thing in an ice dance program back, which had been lost awhile.

    Possibly Anissina & Peizerat as the ones who made lifts and highlights an integral part of ice dancing for the first time.
    Yuzu is still young but he definitely has the makings of what Mao and Yuna will achieve in modern times
    Virtue/Moir didn't bring anything new though, those emptions we can see that with Klimova/Ponomarenko that's why I did not mention them
    same for Torvil/Dean they were just an upgrade for Pakhomova / Gorshkov

    Pluhenko definitely a legend /revolutionary, the 6.0 was written for him and has competed in different scoring system
    yet to get those medal achievements is undenaible

    Grishuk / Platov introduced speed but some of their results were so questionable
    I dont think they should be in the list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    Denise Biellman !! Um..they named a spin after her. First Lady to do a 3lz in competition too I believe.
    She certainly popularized it, but wasn't Moskvina the first to do it in competition? There's a clip of her doing it at the 1968 OG which I can no longer find but it was the last move in the program. Although Moskvina didn't raise a fuss when the spin was named after Biellmann IIRC.

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    Two names you listed stand out for me:

    - Elvis Stoiko. Brought pure athleticism and man power to the Men figure skating. The first significant figure who showed the figure skating champion does not have to be a prince in tights and white lace gloves. The true winner of 1994. Urmanov would never be able to even touch him under CoP.

    - Pakhomova/Gorshkov. They made the ice dancing the competitive sport, they brought it, they defined it. They whole competition should be named after them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CezarMart View Post
    Two names you listed stand out for me:


    - Pakhomova/Gorshkov. They made the ice dancing the competitive sport, they brought it, they defined it. They whole competition should be named after them.
    thats why I made this thread, to give tribute to real innovators
    some think Torvil/Dean are epitome of Ice Dance but they all owe it to Pakhomova / Gorshkov, heck modern Ice Dancing is

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    while some skaters might be more liked/ talked about
    it time we make a thread for the real legends / skaters who revolutioned FS

    Ladies
    * Cecilia Colledge - the original innovator of ladies FS, enough said
    * Sonja Henie - her skating records rival that of her stardom status, the epitome of female hollywood skater, made the trend for short skirt for ladies
    * Dorothy Hamil - introduced posture, elegance and refinement in ladies FS
    * Midori Ito - a skater ahead of her time, still the best jumping machine
    * Yuna Kim - consistency aside, she boosted CoP relevance for 3LZ-3T and 2Axels
    * Mao Asada - her 3A attemps could be more legendary than her whole career history
    Although I won't argue to remove any of these suggestions, I will add some.

    Peggy Fleming probably did more than Dorothy Hamill to "introduce" posture, elegance and refinement in ladies FS, and that Janet Lynn set the standard for complex programs combined with freedom of movement -- to the point that many believe her superiority in free skating compared to school figures was the primary impetus for the introduction of the singles short program.

    Hamill was the best of her era at the qualities you mention, but in some ways that represented the end rather than the beginning of a tradition, since her primary challengers were skaters who were ushering in the era of women doing triple jumps.

    I'd also argue in favor of Elaine Zayak as revolutionizing women's jump content by packing her programs full of triples -- and in the process inspiring rules still in effect today to restrict repetition of the same jump.

    Men
    * Ulrich Salchow - the men's equivalent for Sonia Henie, World gold record holders and invented new jump
    * Dick Button - the equivalent of Colledge, introduced innovations in men's FS
    * Elvis Stojko - the original quad jumper
    * Evgeni Plushenko - the face for 6.0 era, a man who has competed in different scoring eras
    * Yuzuru Hanyu - the face for CoP, has pushed the envelope for maximing points
    John Curry and Toller Cranston absolutely belong on any list of skaters who revolutionized figure skating.

    Ice Dance
    * Pakhomova / Gorshkov forget Torvil/Dean, it was G/P who revolutionized Ice dance, they were the prototypes of what is now Ice Dancing
    * Klimova / Ponomarenko - introduced charisma, Ice Dance is not just elements back then, they showed true Ice Dance presentation
    * Davis / White - combined dynamism, athleticism and power
    And Torvill and Dean probably had more influence than any of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post

    And Torvill and Dean probably had more influence than any of the above.
    No

    I agree about Zayak though having special mention

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    I would add Kwan, because she ushered in the era of 7 triple LPs.

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    Chan, Takahashi and Buttle were arguably the faces of CoP where a complete, well-rounded skater who mastered all facets of skating started to be appreciated, not just the jumps. The same way Curry revolutionized the sport artistically. I would arguably add Goebel and Fernandez for their technical brilliance and mastering quads and the 3-quad freeskate, in a similar way Plushenko/Yagudin/Stojko mastered the quad in general. Of course Yagudin is the perfect blend of artistry and athleticism and his Olympic performances still stand as the best of all time (although I'd put Hanyu's Sochi SP above his).

    For ladies, Ito obviously. Kim as well given her balance of technical and artistic. Kwan for her artistry. Asada for pushing te technical envelope.

    Pairs, Shen/Zhao - they were the first to really THROW and have huge twists. Before it was all about the SBS jumps but S/Z really drew attention to other spectacular elements.

    Ice dance - D/W and V/M revolutionized how dance can be masterfully difficult and still artistically engaging. Torvill and Dean were the masters for their time and exhibited how ice dancing is an art but these two recent teams have showcased how ice dancing can be a sport, this changing the perceptions of many that ice dancing is merely theatre on ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Chan, Takahashi and Buttle were arguably the faces of CoP where a complete,
    stop pushing skaters who not deserve to be in the list
    In No way does Chan an innovator, maybe an innovator in the number of falls

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    Are you two going at it AGAIN?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    stop pushing skaters who not deserve to be in the list
    In No way does Chan an innovator, maybe an innovator in the number of falls
    I must say that I would actually substitute yuzuru with chan, because he was the one that showed to the rest of the field that to be on top one should attempt the maximal difficulty possible, screw it if you were to fall...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    stop pushing skaters who not deserve to be in the listIn No way does Chan an innovator, maybe an innovator in the number of falls
    Are you talking about yourself?

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    Maybe Lambiel for the spins.

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