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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I am sad Virtue & Moir are gone as no matter how much of a douche Scott Moir is they are one of the most beautiful and breathtaking teams ever, and I will miss them terribly. However I am thrilled with Davis & White's retirement. They are great and probably deserved their titles (were visibly overmarked compared to V&M at times the last 2 years but am not interested in getting into that) but they too were taking ice dance in a new direciton and not a good one IMO. They were turning it into an acrobatic circus act, more like a mini pairs routine. They were also taking away it from finesse and polish, which were never apparent in their dancing. I hope their style of dancing really does not have much or any influence on others in the years to come.
    Yadda yadda yadda. I've heard this "but they're practically PAIR SKATERS!" nonsense before. I just laugh. The rules for lifts in ID are so strict that about the closest you'll get to a pairs lift is Marlie's opening lift entrance in the LD. Hardly the same as a throw triple sal or side by side triple lutzes or a reverse lasso lift. Don't remember any death spirals either. But oooh, Charlie swung Meryl up to his shoulder. Get that rule book out. Pfft. Such nonsense.

    Finesse and polish? If anything Marlie was so polished you could accuse them of lacking spontaneity. That's a more valid argument in my book. But YMMV and all that.

    And yes, Marlie's influence can already been seen--and not just in ice dancing. Which pair did Phantom this year--and wore costumes that were such close copies of Marlie's from Vancouver their costume designer should sue? And I definitely saw a marked Marlie influence in the FD by Yanovskaya & Mozgov. Go and see it again yourself and tell me they haven't watched Marlie's programs and gone through them with a fine tooth comb.

    Both Marlie AND Voir upped the technical difficulty for ice dancing. And in the process they've made it something it very very rarely was before: interesting to the general public. Don't recall anyone saying either of their programs were the punch line to the inevitable "but how is ice dancing a sport" criticism. They're not innovators in the same sense as Torvill & Dean, but influential? You betcha.

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    In Japan, it would be Midori Ito because she got alot of media attention for her jumps. Shizuka also got a great deal of attention but really, only after she won OGM.

    Before Shizu won the gold medal, Mao was already the darling of Japan and she has done so much for Japanese figure skating. She was almost single-handedly the reason for Chukyo University building two ice skating rinks for athletes to practice on. Mao's star power has provided the majority of the financing of Japanese skating fed for the past 10 years or so. And it's because of Mao that skating is so popular in Japan as a spectator sports right now.

    I somehow think that Mao has also had a huge impact on the formation of CoP which seemed to target all her weak points so that she really had to work hard to improve them. If the 6.0 era had continued, she would likely have been unbeatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Harding wasnt really impactful for her 3axel as Ito was doing it years earlier and did about 10 times as many. Harding was mostly seen splatting on her 3axel in big competitions, which she did 9 times out of 10 she tried it, and she lost countless medals by it while winning very few because of it, so she was more of a precautionary tale if anything (in more ways than one it turned out). No American since has landed a real 3axel (Meissner's one was a joke and shouldnt have even been ratified) so I wouldnt say she had any impact on American ladies by her 3axel either.
    And yet mao's beautiful 3axel is overly scrutinized. And Harding had one of the most ugliest and choppiest 3axel ever. Her jumps were never on an axel, but straight up and down while she's up in the air. Case in point: http://youtu.be/29SMYaEwGyM

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    To be honest, it's pretty lame and rude to call any female skater trying quads and triple axels "a joke". They are attempting elements that men have difficulty mastering and they should be lauded for pushing the technical envelope, not ridiculed for it or being unable to measure up to the great Ito.

    Harding was no sweetheart and was very unrefined but her lutzes were huge and her axel was a feat of athleticism that no American woman has even come close to achieving, even Meissner.

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    I do think she made an impact on the sport. Because of Mao the women have the option to do a 3A in the SP...that wasn't an option pre-Mao.

    No, not many will follow in Mao's path but it's not b/c they don't want to...it's b/c they can't. It's a testament to how incredibly difficult that element is that only a handful of women in history have managed to do it.

    Mao is extraordinary because of that. A 3-3 is a very difficult element but many women are capable of doing it which doesn't make it as impressive as performing an element no one else can. The bar Mao set with the 3A is impossible for most to reach but that doesn't lessen her impact/contribution to the sport.


    Mao pushed the boundaries of what a woman can do in this sport from a technical standpoint. That is her contribution and the impact she's had...and it's a pretty big one.
    THIS

    Many of us also forget, aside from triple axel, Mao also did 3-3 combination jumps in her career till 2008: triple flip-triple toe loop and triple flip-triple loop. And I will never forget that she really push FS to technical (since her junior years to first two seasons during Vancouver quad) and together with artistic boundaries (starting this year, with insane 8 triple layout plus level 4 in all non-jump elements)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    To be honest, it's pretty lame and rude to call any female skater trying quads and triple axels "a joke". They are attempting elements that men have difficulty mastering and they should be lauded for pushing the technical envelope, not ridiculed for it or being unable to measure up to the great Ito.

    Harding was no sweetheart and was very unrefined but her lutzes were huge and her axel was a feat of athleticism that no American woman has even come close to achieving, even Meissner.
    Harding though is not on par with Ito, with her 3A attemps with only successful at a National championships which is not under ISU event
    Harding was only known for her knee whacking incident with Kerrigan, ask a casual viewer and they will not even know what achievements she has had or if she landed a 3A

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    while some skaters might be more liked/ talked about
    it time we make a thread for the real legends / skaters who revolutioned FS

    Ladies
    * Cecilia Colledge - the original innovator of ladies FS, enough said
    * Sonja Henie - her skating records rival that of her stardom status, the epitome of female hollywood skater, made the trend for short skirt for ladies
    * Dorothy Hamil - introduced posture, elegance and refinement in ladies FS
    * Elaine Zayak - pushed the number of triples the ladies can attempt in FS, has a rule named after her thanks to that, lol
    * Midori Ito - a skater ahead of her time, still the best jumping machine
    * Yuna Kim - consistency aside, she boosted CoP relevance for 3LZ-3T and 2Axels
    * Mao Asada - her 3A attemps could be more legendary than her whole career history
    Agreed, but I don't think Mao should be in this list if the reason is her 3A. Ito did that way before and she did it better.

    Men
    * Ulrich Salchow - the men's equivalent for Sonia Henie, World gold record holders and invented new jump
    * Dick Button - the equivalent of Colledge, introduced innovations in men's FS
    * John Curry - equivalent of Dorothy, introduced men's refinement , posture in FS
    * Elvis Stojko - the original quad jumper
    * Evgeni Plushenko - the face for 6.0 era, a man who has competed in different scoring eras
    * Yuzuru Hanyu - the face for CoP, has pushed the envelope for maximing points
    I would leave Hanyu out of og this list as well. He has done nothing yet to revolutionize the sport.

    Pairs
    * the Propotovs - There will be no modern Pairs today if it werent for the Propotovs, the greatest and the prototype of the modern pairs skating
    * Mishkutenok /Dmitriev- introduced dynamism, difficulty and charisma in pairs skating
    Agreed but I would add Rodnina&Zaitsev to that list as well. They introduced side-by-side double Axels to pair skating.
    They were famous for their powerful lifts, unison, and speed. They did a spectacular back outside death spiral.
    http://figureskating.about.com/od/ol.../p/zaitsev.htm
    Not my preferred pair but I think they deserve to be in the list.

    * Berezhnaya / Sikhuralidze- showed pairs skating is elegant, refined posture that every skater should aspire
    It was already done by the Protopovs.

    * Shen / Zhao - introduced acrobatics in lifts, twists and pairs skating longevity can go up to where you want to go
    As someone said before, maybe they revolutionized this sport in China. The things you've listed here were already done. Just have a look of the lifts and twists of Brasseur & Eisler.

    Ice Dance
    * Pakhomova / Gorshkov forget Torvil/Dean, it was G/P who revolutionized Ice dance, they were the prototypes of what is now Ice Dancing
    * Klimova / Ponomarenko - introduced charisma, Ice Dance is not just elements back then, they showed true Ice Dance presentation
    Agreed.

    * Davis / White - combined dynamism, athleticism and power
    I'm not sure. Power, athleticism and speed was already in Ice Dance with G&P, K&O.

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    I would say Ekaterina Gordeeva has had an impact on this sport, after all she is the only skater (worth mentioning) who after having a sucessful career in pairs, went to have another sucessful career in singles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trouble77 View Post
    I would say Ekaterina Gordeeva has had an impact on this sport, after all she is the only skater (worth mentioning) who after having a sucessful career in pairs, went to have another sucessful career in singles.
    no, she didn't. she went to pro after Grinkov's death
    but you hardly call that a successful singles career

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    None of the young skaters (those who are under 20) has done anything truly revolutionary yet. But that does not mean they won't. Well, at least they have the next 4 or 5 to 8 seasons to prove that. I hope they will shine and show the world that they can push this sport further. I have high hope in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    no, she didn't. she went to pro after Grinkov's death
    but you hardly call that a successful singles career
    She actually had a career with Stars on Ice from 1996-2000 and placed as high as 2nd at the World Pro Championships. She wasn't at an elite level but she made more money and did more shows than most singles skaters could dream of. She also got a pretty reliable 3S and 3T if I recall. More importantly she didn't let her husband's tragedy overcome her and continued to share more lovely skating as a singles skater. And to me, that is successful.

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    the new ones:
    I have hopes for 3 skaters who will be the ones to watch out for next quad:

    Yuzuru Hanyu - maximing CoP and pushing technical innovation for FS

    Gracie Gold - could push figure skating back as mainstream for US Sports, she has the appeal, beauty and looks that transcends to Hollywood is looking for
    she just needs more results to back it up

    Julia Lipnitskaya - could be inventing new spin positions in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    She actually had a career with Stars on Ice from 1996-2000 and placed as high as 2nd at the World Pro Championships. She wasn't at an elite level but she made more money and did more shows than most singles skaters could dream of. She also got a pretty reliable 3S and 3T if I recall. More importantly she didn't let her husband's tragedy overcome her and continued to share more lovely skating as a singles skater. And to me, that is successful.
    but no innovations there

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    no, she didn't. she went to pro after Grinkov's death
    but you hardly call that a successful singles career
    Well we will have to disagree. I think Katia had a great impact in this sport, both before and after Sergei’s death.
    As for her pro-career, when you think that she managed to be second after Yamaguchi during one competition and 3rd in another by defeating the likes of Katerina Witt, Yuka Sato, Denise Biellmann, Rosalyn Summers, and Caryn Kadevy, how can you not call that successful? After all she was not trained to be a single skater.

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