04-21-2014, 05:07 PM
Interestingly, Peggy Fleming, who was very graceful and a good jumper, was also good at school figures. In fact, if I recall correctly, it was the school figures section of her skating that put her ahead at the 1968 Olympics, and it kept her ahead even though she skated conservatively in her free program. So Peggy was really an all-around skater at a time when that description had to include school figures. Janet Lynn, on the other hand, was strong in free skating (both artistically and in terms of jumps) but generally faltered in school figures. These two ladies did a lot to usher in the era of artistic ladies' skating. They were a kind of one-two punch: Peggy's era of dominance was from about 1965 to 1968 (three World championships and then the OGM), and then Janet took center stage in the U.S., though she never won a World or Olympic gold medal. Her most immediate rivals were Trixi Schuba and Canada's Karen Magnussen, who won the World Championship in 1973 when Janet fell. (Magnussen was also the Olympic silver medalist in 1972, behind Schuba and ahead of Lynn.)
Originally Posted by jenaj
I feel that had the plane crash that killed the 1961 American team not happened, the change in ladies' skating would have happened earlier, because Laurence Owen seems to have had that quality of grace plus athleticism that might have turned the tide then. I am too young to have seen her live, but there are one or two YouTube videos available, and no less a voice than Toller Cranston thought very highly of her skating.
04-21-2014, 05:56 PM
Well, the school figures are all in the shape of an 8 (two tangent circles), except for the three-circle figures, which is a variation on the same theme.
Originally Posted by skatedreamer
But the turns and loops and changes of edge on the basic 8 pattern are what made the more advanced figures more demanding.
04-21-2014, 07:46 PM
Landing 3As in my dreams!
el henry -- you're actually right re: figure 8s and I stand corrected (post from gkelly).
Originally Posted by el henry
Loads of people were upset about Trixi's win. Which makes sense b/c if they hadn't watched the figures judging and/or didn't know that scoring @ the time was heavily weighted toward the compulsories, her OGM would have seemed off the wall. I myself didn't discover Janet Lynn until many years later when a friend clued me in. A few weeks ago, just for the heckuvit, I looked up some videos of figures competitions on YouTube. Watching the skaters' concentration and realizing the kind of precision it took to produce the figures gave me a new respect for specialists like Schuba.
jenaj -- Re: addition of the SP for Janet L & devaluing the figure score, I completely forgot that part of the story. To you & gkelly, thanks and a big !
04-21-2014, 08:30 PM
Anyone with a move or rule named after them, definitely; or who instituted any sort of a change in scoring
Elaine Zayak (rule)
Janet Lynn (short program)
People back in the day, like Axel and Salchow (moves named after them)
Denise Biellmann (spin)
Evan Lysacek (quads were re-scored, partially because of his win)
Sale and Pelletier (their complaint contributed to the change in scoring system)
Tonya Harding (for bringing a lot of (negative) attention to the sport and starting the pre-reality show skating blitz of the 90's)
People who greatly influenced the style of skating:
Michelle Kwan--I credit (or blame) her for the change to very soft music, tasteful costumes and sober buns that you see today. Because of her, routines like Nancy Kerrigan's or Oksana Baiul's look completely dated now--gold dress, pony tail, Neil Diamond or show tune music. . .
Torvill and Dean--the first or one of the first to add modern dance elements to ice dancing.
Excellent skaters I don't think were revolutionaries:
Yuna--she's the best of her generation, but didn't do anything that much different than anyone else
Mao--along with Kimmie, did the triple-axel without being a powerhouse like Tonya or Midori--but I don't know if she's a revolutionary.
Alexei Yagudin, Evgeni Plushenko, Shizuka Arakawa, etc.--excellent gold medallists, but not revolutionaries
Davis and White--can't tell. They might be or they might be just the fastest and twizzliest of the fast/twizzly ice dancing era.
Virtue/Moir--definitely not. Someone said they brought romance back, but Sale and Pelletier and the 2006 Canadians also did romantic themes.
Patrick Chan/Hanyu--almost started a trend of winning while skating badly. Let's hope it doesn't catch on!
04-21-2014, 09:48 PM
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04-23-2014, 02:00 PM
I'm going to go for an old-time skater who changed figure skating for the better. (Flexibility and balletic style well before Sasha)
And, for one, unsung hero, who taught many to become better-to-watch skaters.
Dick Button for his media contributions.
Scott Hamilton for carrying the Olympic flag, Stars on Ice & his many, audience performances.
04-23-2014, 02:25 PM