Do any of Plushy's videos have more than 4.4 million hits? And have any of them acquired those hits in the space of a week? There you go, using your logic, I just made an argument for Jason Brown being the greatest skater of all time.
You cannot, cannot, cannot use social media as an argument.
You are right, I would finish this debate but I read many new fals things again and again, what are show the posters are so uninformed about Plushy. And I'm full of informations and I can't stand that I don't write those . Sorry... I move on......
On NICO, one Japan video website, I key in "figure skating" and the most hit one is sex bomb, about 1.1 million. second is yagudin's overcome mixed with star war, 1.0 million. third is plushenko's russian national cup nijinski, 711 thousands. 4th Hanyu 532 thousands. And on Youku, the Chinese video website, johnny weir's poker face has 3.7 million hits!
Hit number doesn't determine if an athlete is good either. But at least it can show how people (most of them may not be figure skating fan and do not know about technique) enjoy the program.
I remember Hanyu's Romeo and Juliett 2012 . That video had more than 1 million viewers...But that was also deleted ...
And Plushy absolutely has that X Factor that no one could buy or manufacture. You can't conjure that out of thin air. One has it or doesn't. Zhenya has had it for the last three Olympics, IMO. No one could outshine him, even when he withdrew from the men's SP, the talk was STILL all about him.
I respect the Plush fans who have been very open-minded to discussing ideas contrary to theirs.
But my view remains the same - I feel his "passion" is histrionic and pretentious, not an actual, genuine emotional connection that I felt from other skaters.
Well, er, now this isn't a dangerous thread at all, is it?
What's indisputable: Better career goes to Plushenko. We can rail and cry about how Yagudin's injury cut off his potential, or that he "won" their rivalry, but the results speak for themselves.
Better skater? Well, we can debate that for the ages to come. Ultimately, "better skater" just translates to "my favourite skater"/"whose style I prefer."
Speaking for myself, I love both skaters but Plushenko has the edge. I think they were both great technicians and great artists. I get why some people may find Plush's style not to their taste, or others would believe Yagudin coasted on the strength of his programs and not due to his own interpretive skill or whatnot. But for me, they both brought expressiveness to the ice along with excellent technical content. Plushenko just had a slight edge in all aspects: better air position and lighter landings on jumps, both had great footwork but I find Nijinsky's just a tiny bit more memorable than Man in the Iron Mask (what I consider their two best performances). Neither were great spinners, but I give Plush credit for his iconic Biellmann, plus he improved his spins under COP and did his best to get the levels. Plush also pushed the technical envelope, while Yagudin was basically doing his best to keep up with what Plush was doing.
In terms of programs, Yagudin skated basically one type of program and did it really well. Nothing wrong with that. I personally didn't his tired of his "big movie soundtrack" skates. But Plushenko had an incredible diversity. Who else could pull off Michael Jackson, then turn around and do Adagio? They both sold the heck out of their programs, but Plushenko had a more... well, other posters have described it better than me, but the classical balletic lines versus Yagudin.
So no, if we're going by semantics, Plushenko isn't a "better skater because of his longevity." Just like I don't consider Yuna Kim a better skater than Michelle Kwan because she has an OGM. Just like I won't consider Yuzuru a better skater than Plush even if Yuzuru goes on to win another OGM. For me, Plushenko is the better skater because of his incredible connection with the audience, his diverse range of programs, his technical innovations--and frankly, because I connected with him and his skates far more than Yagudin's. All of that, in addition to his medals, his consistency, his longevity and determination to keep competing.
I have no problem with people preferring Yagudin. If you're writing a history book on FS history, then you need to give Plushenko his due. But I have no interest in "proving" Plush is the better skater to Yagudin fans (and in return, Yagudin fans aren't gonna have much luck "proving" he's such a better skater than Plush). They're both incredible athletes, and I'm grateful for what their rivalry has done for the sport.
Plushenko's "longevity" was rather short-lived. He folded after the Olympic team event. So really this question is irrelevant.
Nice thread. So many spit fountains.
Although Yagudin didn’t win Russian Champion, he beat Plushenko three times in 96, 97, and 98. And Plushenko won over yagudin in 99, 00 and 01.
Yagudin did beat Plushenko more often internationally. If only regarding to the main internationally competition (GP, GPF, Euro, World, Olympics). Plushy lost to Yags in each competition they attended since 1997 to 1999. His winning started since 2000, when he won euro and yags won world. 2001 is Plushy’s season and 2002 is Yags’.