04-24-2014, 05:38 PM
Yagudin had already retired by the time Facebook and Twitter came out. And when did the number of social media followers determine how good of an athlete someone is? Pele has 700K Twitter followers; Cristiano Ronaldo has over 25M. Does that make Ronaldo a better footballer? I don't think so.
04-24-2014, 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by plushyfan
I wasn't disputing his greatness (up until his retirement 1 minute before he was due to skate in the Sochi individual event), but if you must compare between Yagudin and Plush at their finest, I'd go with Yagudin.
Plush is a star in Russia, so those ballet dancers know his stuff but maybe not the other skaters as well as skating fans would. Do you think they'll pick John Curry or Plush if they knew who John Curry is?
He mostly received all those 6s because he often skated clean and had convincing presentation. In the history of skating, however, I would not rate him as a great artist.
04-24-2014, 06:29 PM
Because Plushenko is not matured and good enough to beat yagudin in 2002 Olympics, just as yagudin is not good enough to beat plushenko in 2001. If yagudin is so good, why he lost to Ilia Kulik, Elvis Stojko and Philippe Candeloro in 1998? Does it mean he is worse than these guys? I believe you will tell me the same answer: he lost because he is not matured and good enough at that time.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
Actually I did count up. the number of person claiming "Plushenko is better" is evenly matched with those claiming “yagudin is better". And the number of both sides is far less than you thought. As to the posters with "I prefer one of them" or "whose program is more interesting to me", "whose technique is better", the number is evenly matched too.
Who is the better one? or Who is the best ever? It's not a new topic. lots of jounalist and skater also have their opinion. We can find it in the articles and interviews. for example Joubert and Lambiel prefer yagudin. Hanyu and Weir like plushenko more. Dick Button and Kurt Browning don't buy plushenko's style. But Denise Biellmann think he is amazing and Hamilton give him huge credit as the greatest.
Yuanyuan Tan, one of the Principal Dancer in San Francisco Ballet said she is plushenko's fan and the program nijinski made her crying. I can show the link if necessary. Yuanyuan Tan may be not great as Maya Plisetskaya. But at least she is a famous ballet dancer and she is not russian. It's still possible that Maya Plisetskaya or Nikolai Tsiskaridze will pick plush between him and John Curry, right? there is no evidence they don't know John Curry. Furthermore, no one in this thread is arguing "is plushenko a great artist as John Curry". The fact is they like plushenko's performance, and this is enough to prove that his artistry is admitted by these ballet dancers.
Originally Posted by BlackPack
If plushenko received 6.0s because he skated clean and had convincing presentation. Yagudin is the same in Olympics and other games. And he skate with less clean programs and had less convincing presentation. But I am ok you prefer yagudin and doesn't rate plushenko as an artist. it's a very subjective, no one can change other's opinion.
I agree with anonymous penguin, number of social media followers doesn't determine how good an athlete is.
04-24-2014, 06:39 PM
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