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Thread: Will More Dance & Pairs Teams Split? Some Sources Say Yes.

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    EZETTIE LATUASV IVAKMHA CaroLiza_fan's Avatar
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    Firstly, well done to the Mods for moving the comments that started this discussion out of the "I/K split" thread and into this new thread.



    However, I was just wondering if you realised that those original comments are also still in the other thread...


    Quote Originally Posted by lmarie086 View Post
    R/T just never gelled for me. I far preferred Riazanova when she skated with Guerrerio (? I never could spell it for some reason) so I will be happy to see them back together if that is true.
    I never saw Riazanova and Guerreiro the first time around (the first time I watched a Junior competition was only a couple of years ago), so I can't really comment about which partner she gelled better with.

    Funnily enough, Jonathon's surname is one of the names I do not struggle with. But, there again, being a fan of motorbike racing, I am used to seeing Spanish names on a regular basis! The ones I struggle the most with are Tatjana V (which way round do the "z" and the "s" go?), Elena I (which way around do the "i" and the "y" go?) and the Lithuanian guy who we are currently discussing (which is ironic, given that my middle name is "David", the English version of his first name!)

    Quote Originally Posted by lmarie086 View Post
    Devidas has been talking about retiring after this season for a while now. His dream, from what I gather, was always to be able to represent Lithuania, and he was finally able to accomplish that in Sochi (his partner at the time of the Vancouver games, Copely, was denied Lithuanian citizenship so they were not able to compete). I've read that Tobias has been looking for a partner for next season for awhile now.
    Mmmm. That's disappointing. Although he is not one of the top Ice Dancers around, Deividas is clearly one of the better ones. So, I thought he would have had more ambitions than to just go to the Olympics.

    For me, Stagniunas / Tobias had the potential to go on and get into the Top 10 in the World, which would be a great achievement for a small country like Lithuania. So, I am surprised that Deividas did not share that belief.

    Oh well! His loss.

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    AFAIR, Jonathon's father's name is Portuguese, not Spanish.
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 04-21-2014 at 08:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    AFAIR, Jonathon's father's name is Portuguese, not Spanish.
    Ah. Thank you for the info Doris!

    Sorry, about that. Portuguese and Spanish surnames do tend to be quite similar, so it can be easy for foreigners to confuse them... (That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it! )

    Mmmm. Portugal. Now there is a country you don't hear about skaters coming from. I just had a look at the ISU Bio lists, and the only Portuguese skater they have is Giovanna ALMEIDA LETO in the Ladies singles, and that was a while ago!

    I know it won't happen as they both have Russian citizenship, but wouldn't it be great to see Portugal enter Ice Dancing with an established couple like Ekaterina and Jonathon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Skater ladies often grow later, because they may severy restrict their food intake when they are young. Consider the case of Dan Zhang, not to mention Lucinda Ruh, both of whom grew in their mid 20's.
    This is true but the vast majority of girls (skaters included) are done growing by the age of 18. Even among female skaters, I'd say the percentage that are done growing by age 19 is higher than 95%; among the non-elite athlete population at large it truly is close to 100%.

    Sky_fly also fails to list any sources that say she is still growing. She has vaguely alluded to some comments the coach made last summer but has not even cited anything for that; she has not (to my knowledge) offered any more recent claims, but instead is piggybacking off one comment made almost a year ago now.

    Furthermore, skyfly is not realistic about the height difference that is needed in dance to be successful. While she clearly finds it to be more aesthetically appealing when couples have a larger height difference, many couples can and do succeed, even in the new system, with relatively small height differences (at least as skyfly would define them). One example? Tessa and Scott.

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    Wow
    All these dance teams and citizenship issues kind of make me dizzy. Glad I'm already sitting down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    Furthermore, skyfly is not realistic about the height difference that is needed in dance to be successful.
    SkyFly and realism are two completely opposite things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Exactly!!

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    Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but most of the names / teams appear to be Russian or from former Soviet states. Are they in rebuilding mode again? Are some of these partly affected by the I/K split? To what extent is the Russian Skating Federation behind some of these splits? Are they all trying to catch up with the North American teams now? It seems that the sudden appearance of all three Canadian teams (including two lesser-known ones) in worlds top 10 and the consistency of the Americans may have contributed to some shuffling (and may be a sign that they're not into B/S). Just my thought from what little I've read of it. Although I'm sure that no teams would split unless (1) they were not gaining traction / progress, or (2) there were already deep-seated issues within the teams.

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    For me, Stagniunas / Tobias had the potential to go on and get into the Top 10 in the World, which would be a great achievement for a small country like Lithuania. So, I am surprised that Deividas did not share that belief.

    Lithuania was well represented from the mid 1990's to 2002 by ice dancers Margarita Drobiazko/Povilas Vanagas. They were 3 time GPF bronze medalists, 3 time European bronze medalists and 2000 World bronze medalists. They retired after the 2002 Olympics, but returned to compete again in 2006. In 2002, they placed 5th and filed a petition stating the 2 teams ahead of them fell and weren't penalized. Personally, they were the team that first made ice dancing a consistent favorite discipline for me.

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    Sorry, wasn't sure how to add the quote...Please forgive...

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    Just checked an old media guide. Drobiazko/Vanagas represented Lithuania in five Olympics, so Tobias/Deividas have a challenge if they continue as a team.

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    Amazing how Russia looked like they were going to return to it's glory days in Ice dancing and dominate with D/W and V/M retiring and they have self destructed in a matter of weeks. B/S aren't the team to return Russia to it's heydey of Ice dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Amazing how Russia looked like they were going to return to it's glory days in Ice dancing and dominate with D/W and V/M retiring and they have self destructed in a matter of weeks. B/S aren't the team to return Russia to it's heydey of Ice dancing.
    Maybe, maybe not. Bobrova-Soloviev have consistently beaten both Weaver-Poje and Capellini-Lanote in the past. They had a bad programs the last season and as a result had to skip Europeans (changing program) and worlds (injury), but if they competed, I am pretty sure thy would have won the Europeans and medalled at worlds. It is fair to say that although they don't stand out like D/W and V/M, they are pretty comparable standard with the best remaining couples.

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    Devidas is 28 if I'm not mistaken, so if he and Tobias are truly split I highly doubt he would be looking to start anew with another fresh partnership. It may be that whoever Tobias partners with, they'll represent Lithuania.

    Side note: I think Devidas has also had injury problems? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I remember hearing that.

    azcalder, I loved Drobiazko/Vanagas. I didn't start watching ice dance really until Torino in 2006 but their POTO FD stood out to me and afterward I went and found their old performances. I don't know if you can necessarily say that they always had the most difficult programs, but they were always very interesting and creative IMO, and I do think it was ridiculous for them to place behind two teams that fell in SLC.

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