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Thread: Canadian pairs news: M-T/M and P/M have split

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    It's probably best for them to split now, to give Kristen the maximum amount of time to train and gel with her new partner for the next Olympics. She won't be able to replicate her results with Dylan right away, but it's good to get an early start (and take the meh results next season) in order to prepare for the long haul.
    Yes, this seems to be the emerging consensus tonight from most skating fans, even those who are fans of M-T&M.

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    As long as Kirsten gels well enough with her new partner, this won't seem like a bad idea (although it's sad for Dylan who wanted to continue with her). A "verbal 4-8 year commitment" before a pair even attempts to skate together is relatively meaningless though. If her new partnership doesn't "click" and fizzles after a year or two like so many new partnerships do, she will have wasted those years trying to get something off the ground when she could have been continuing her already strong partnership with Dylan. But I'm sure she put a lot of thought into what had to have been a very difficult decision and is prepared to live with any possible regret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold12345 View Post
    If her new partnership doesn't "click" and fizzles after a year or two like so many new partnerships do, she will have wasted those years trying to get something off the ground when she could have been continuing her already strong partnership with Dylan. But I'm sure she put a lot of thought into what had to have been a very difficult decision and is prepared to live with any possible regret.
    It's always difficult to analyze the pros & cons of a new skating partnership, as well as to deal with the potential fallout from skating fans. Sometimes one partner will get blamed by the fans more than the other for why the original partnership ended, even though those fans are often not privy to all of the factors that go into making these decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O View Post
    It's always difficult to analyze the pros & cons of a new skating partnership, as well as to deal with the potential fallout from skating fans. Sometimes one partner will get blamed by the fans more than the other for why the original partnership ended, even though those fans are often not privy to all of the factors that go into making these decisions.
    Mmmmm. Why did the word "Nikita" just pop into my head...

    Although, to be fair, in that case, I don't think we know ANY of the factors apart from the obvious one.


    Back to the Canadians, and when I first read the statement, I was very disappointed in Kirsten. From the first reading, it sounded like she was saying:

    "you're going to be too old to continue after the next Olympics, so I want to split now while I'm still young, rather than go through the whole switching ordeal when I'm older."

    But, reading through the comments that have been posted in this thread since the statement, I can see how splitting now would make sense to her.

    If Dylan doesn't know if he can commit to a full cycle, it probably is better for Kirsten to get out now and maximise the time with her new partner. And if it doesn't work out with whoever she ends up with, Kirsten will still have time to try and look for an alternative partner at the end of this coming season.

    But, where does this leave Dylan? Let's face it, none of the top 10 female Canadian Pairs Skaters are going to want to partner up with him, for the same reasons that Kirsten left him.

    Yes, he could "do a Zhang Hao" and use his experience to help bring on a much younger skater. But, no disrespect intended, Zhang Hao is a lot better a skater than Dylan Moscovitch.

    Also, Zhang Hao made clear from the start that he was in it for the long-haul. So, Peng Cheng had nothing to lose by partnering up with him. For any young skater that partnered up with Dylan, yes they would be able to learn a lot from his years of experience. But they would also know that this was liable to be a short-term partnership. And when you are in your mid-teens trying to establish yourself in your discipline, it is not a good thing to be chopping and changing partners all the time. So, why bother?

    So, I fear Dylan is going to be left high and dry. Which is a shame, as I really like him, both as a skater and as a person.


    If I was in Kirsten's shoes (which would be weird given that I'm a guy!), I think I would have carried on with Dylan for next season, but at the same time been having try-outs with other skaters. Playing it like this would have left all options open for both of them:

    • It would give Dylan more time to assess his ability and desire to continue.
    • It would allow Kirsten to test the water and see if she can find somebody who she feels comfortable with just in case Dylan can't commit for any longer.


    If, at the end of the year, Kirsten can't find somebody she feels comfortable with, and Dylan does want to continue, then they can just carry on without having wasted a year with other people.

    It would also mean that neither of them would be left high and dry if the other found a partner, and they didn't.

    But, alas, they have decided to just split now.

    And as a result, we have missed out on what could have been a great battle between them and Duhamel/Radford to be the top Candian couple in Pairs Skating in the next quad.

    Oh well!

    I wish both of them all the best with whatever their futures hold.

    CaroLiza_ fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    If I was in Kirsten's shoes (which would be weird given that I'm a guy!), I think I would have carried on with Dylan for next season, but at the same time been having try-outs with other skaters. Playing it like this would have left all options open for both of them:

    • It would give Dylan more time to assess his ability and desire to continue.
    • It would allow Kirsten to test the water and see if she can find somebody who she feels comfortable with just in case Dylan can't commit for any longer.


    If, at the end of the year, Kirsten can't find somebody she feels comfortable with, and Dylan does want to continue, then they can just carry on without having wasted a year with other people.

    It would also mean that neither of them would be left high and dry if the other found a partner, and they didn't.

    But, alas, they have decided to just split now.

    And as a result, we have missed out on what could have been a great battle between them and Duhamel/Radford to be the top Candian couple in Pairs Skating in the next quad.

    Oh well!

    I wish both of them all the best with whatever their futures hold.

    CaroLiza_ fan
    But I don't know if they would accept it: train together every day, go to competitions etc. and at the same time having tryouts with other partners? Not impossible, of course, but not a lot of partners would accept that I think But I think that it is even more difficult to accept for our selfish fan spirits!

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    I'm thinking Dylan might end up pairing up with someone to skate in shows, if he can't find someone to skate with competitively again. I'm not sure who, though. Jessica Dube? I know she doesn't want to compete anymore, but she might do shows. Mukhortova? lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    I'm thinking Dylan might end up pairing up with someone to skate in shows, if he can't find someone to skate with competitively again. I'm not sure who, though. Jessica Dube? I know she doesn't want to compete anymore, but she might do shows. Mukhortova? lol.
    That's possible, but shows usually prefer skating teams who are well-known together from their time on the competitive circuit. Usually skating teams join shows once they have won National medals, World medals, etc. There's less appeal to an audience in going to a skating show to see teams that have no competitive history as partners.

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    kind of sad that Kirsten and Dylan never won a world medal - so close so so so close.

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    Any word on whether Kristen will stay with Wirtz and Wirtz as coaches? I thought they were a well suited team. I would think there might be some contenders in the wings for Kristen if she was willing to make the break. Rockne Brubaker? Too old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider11 View Post
    Any word on whether Kristen will stay with Wirtz and Wirtz as coaches? I thought they were a well suited team. I would think there might be some contenders in the wings for Kristen if she was willing to make the break. Rockne Brubaker? Too old?
    As in possible new partners? Probably Mervin Tran since they're around the same level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    kind of sad that Kirsten and Dylan never won a world medal - so close so so so close.
    Two 4th place finishes are really admirable. And the most important thing is that they've done great performances at Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan O View Post
    That's possible, but shows usually prefer skating teams who are well-known together from their time on the competitive circuit. Usually skating teams join shows once they have won National medals, World medals, etc. There's less appeal to an audience in going to a skating show to see teams that have no competitive history as partners.
    IIRC, Elena Leonova and Andrei Khvalko were a successful pro team who didn't skate together in the amateur ranks. If both skaters were successful in the amateur ranks, although not together, they could still be well appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    IIRC, Elena Leonova and Andrei Khvalko were a successful pro team who didn't skate together in the amateur ranks. If both skaters were successful in the amateur ranks, although not together, they could still be well appreciated.
    Wasn't that an era when there were pro competitions and now there are so few shows and few competitions and then it is limited to the famous teams or skaters. K and D were so close twice to a world medal. You would think they would give it one more try. But I understand she wants to go to the next olympics and needs to work on that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    IIRC, Elena Leonova and Andrei Khvalko were a successful pro team who didn't skate together in the amateur ranks. If both skaters were successful in the amateur ranks, although not together, they could still be well appreciated.
    Yes, but that is the exception to the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krunchii View Post
    As in possible new partners? Probably Mervin Tran since they're around the same level
    Kirsten's most likely new partner at this point is Michael Marinaro.

    As for Rockne Brubaker, he has retired from skating and recently taken a job as a performance director at a sports center.

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