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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    He is well on the way to being so.



    Lord, I hope not. He seems like a greasy sleezebag.



    Very, very impressed by Machida.
    And here I go agreeing with Karne again. Maks gives me the creeps - always has - the way he is always touching his partners and kissing them and rubbing their arms. Ick.

    LOVED Machida and I thought his Firebird costume was perfect. I swear the guy isn't even 5' tall though - really tiny.

    I think what's bothering me the most about the skating drought right now is all the so-called rumors that get posted on this board and then we're off to the races. The latest is that Plushenko wants to compete again. I guess he won't be satisfied until he not only can't skate but probably can't walk. If it's even true.

    But I'm going to SOI on Mother's Day in San Jose and we purchased the brunch ticket. There will be some of the skaters there during lunch but we haven't heard who yet. Be still my heart if it's Jason!!! Then it's a VERY long time until Skate America. But I can get lost in YouTubes. Saw a couple last night that were videos of Kings of Ice. It included Brian Joubert, Johnny Weir, Stephane Lambiel and Plushenko. Lambiel is a joy to watch. Even when he's sitting against the boards and kind of moving his body to the music. They also showed some pictures that looked like he may have done some modeling. Anyway - if you suffer skating withdrawal, just go to YouTube and you can be in there for hours and be totally entertained. Definitely watch Alexei Yagudin's Winter again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    I keep thinking what's gonna happen in the ladies event.

    In the last two Olympic cycles 2006-2010 and 2010-2014 we had 8 world championships and 4 world champions. Even though none succeeded in defending a title, the world podium was pretty much dominated by 4 ladies. And of course, the GPF was also dominated by these 4 ladies. The only one who managed to win an important competition in the last 8 years (GPF and Worlds) was Alissa Czisny in 2010 (GPF champion) - Sochi was controversial and I won't go into that.
    With the exception of 2012 worlds, from 2007-2014 at least two of Mao, Yuna, Caro and Miki were on the podium. In 8 year, the only ladies besides the Great 4 who managed to win medals at worlds were: Joannie, Laura, Alena, Akiko and Julia.

    Out of 24 world medals, 19 were won by Mao, Yuna, Caro and Miki. And this with Yuna not competing in 2012 and Miki retiring after 2011 worlds.
    Out of 24 GPF medals, 14 were won Mao, Yuna, Caro and Miki, with Yuna not competing in the GP for the last 4 seasons and Miki retiring after 2011 worlds.
    Out of 6 Olympic medals (Vancouver and Sochi), 4 were won by Yuna, Mao and Caro

    I wonder if we'll see such longevity and dominance by the ladies to come.
    There are many talents to come, including the recent Olympic champion, but considering all the above, in order to be great, you need to prove it more than just once. I hope she will do it, of course, but loosing these 4 great champions at once is a great loss, IMO

    That's amazing. Thank you for posting it. And Ice Dancing had a similar history the last quad, with Marlie and Voir taking either 1st or 2nd at every single competition they entered. I don't follow Pairs as closely, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a similar domination the last quad by V/T and S/S.

    Mrs P, wanna crunch some numbers?

    In any case, it really is gonna be a whole new world for at least 2 of the 4 disciplines this quad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    And here I go agreeing with Karne again. Maks gives me the creeps - always has - the way he is always touching his partners and kissing them and rubbing their arms. Ick.
    *chuckles* 'tis not a sin to agree with me, nor I with you.


    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    But I'm going to SOI on Mother's Day in San Jose and we purchased the brunch ticket. There will be some of the skaters there during lunch but we haven't heard who yet. Be still my heart if it's Jason!!!
    I just checked the SOI website for you and guess what! You're in luck - Jason is at the San Jose show Maybe it will be him! Or maybe you will meet Josh! Either way I am in a thousand jealousies in advance.

    I am sad you're gonna miss adorableMax though. SOI, next time: GOLDEN TRIO ALL THE WAY, PLEASE.

    It's late. I haven't had dinner yet. Gone loopy, back soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I think I wrote this on my eyepad then it disappeared. My mistake or haunted computers???? Another OS subject. My Asus lost sound except if you plug in headphones, and so I was not feeling up to looking for them. I watched several Olympic and World skates with no sound. I totally changed my mind on outcome of Olympic ladies. Not to start WW7 but it is very interesting to watch a program sans music. I came away mad that (madder) that AS was so overscored in presentation. I bow to her superior tricks but I found myself really understanding how sophisticated Adios Nonino was. Again, Yuna held back, seemed nervous, but without the music, her musicality was spot on and AS is not in her (or Caro's ) league. ANd I have never been a YUNUBER (my word-where is patent office, lol) I suspect we will be debating this a very long time.

    I actually think Julia and Anna will go further, and Yelena will be a firecracker with better programs and costumes. This costuming is a Russian downfall, but they have some real corkers in the ladies event. Let us hope Japan has some new ladies to give them a run. I think the US has 3 fabulous women and two can do the same tech content. Gracie is a beautiful skater, I hope she is more respected this year. Tired of the geopolitical scoring but that is FS I guess forever and for good.
    I've more faith in Pogorilaya. The puberty monster could still get to Julia, at least enough to wipe her GOEs.

    I do wonder how the Russian ladies suddenly got to be so strong. If that's what happens when a country hosts the Olympics then my fingers are crossed for Korea. There's a lot of talent in S.K. but it seems cultivating that has been marred by incompetence on the part of the KSU.

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    KSU seems very disliked in Korea. Do they deserve it?

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    Well if you think about the lack of ice rinks and the lack of fs funding plus their incompetence of mediating whatever has happened to their speed skating team (victor ahn vs. the team), they kinda do....

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    Karne - have NO problem agreeing with you and do most of the time. Right now our one divergence would be "the adorable Max!" Not on that page my dear. Although as I posted some time ago, I met Max in Oakland last year about this time in Dreams on Ice. He has a beautiful smile, is very friendly, has sparkly eyes, but his skating just doesn't do it for me.

    I wasn't originally going to SOI because the tickets are really ridiculously expensive but when I found out Jason would be there bought tickets rather quickly and without regret. Having Josh there is a bonus. I've seen one of his programs on the televised abbreviated version of SOI and he was amazing!

    My theory about the sudden strength of the Russian women is that they all came up at the same time! Said differently, there's been a drought for many years and I imagine the Russian Federation put a lot of responsibility and pressure on the Russian coaches to rectify that situation. Hence - at some point a bunch of them would have to mature in skating at the same time. Could be wrong though.

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    Noskates, that's a really good theory on why so many young Russian girls arrived with a huge bang all pretty much at the same time. One thing's for sure, it'll provide tons of entertainment for skating fans to see who will come out on top!

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    My hope for next season is that Anna Pogo will get more assignments, she impressed me in worlds 2014.
    But I also hope she will have better music and costume.

    I like Tatsuki's short program very much. But I don't like his firebird. I call it flappy bird, sorry Tatsuki. It's not only him, though, why does all the firebird program have to be that litteral?
    I love Stravinsky but I don't think that music is suitable to skate along. Stravinsky is a curse to me!
    Anyways, it's just the same as I dislike Hanyu's Juliet dying program so much. I hope Weir will stop designing for the kid from now on.

    I hope PChan will come back.

    On a funny note, this is also PCHAN from a comic book I like, e he he he he: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...rs-d3kggv2.png

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    I'm looking forward to the next quad.

    There have been years of dominance by a few skaters/teams in each discipline, and it looks to me as though we're about to hit a period of more wide open competitions.

    Except for V/T, I don't see any other discipline in which the podiums will be easy to predict... of course, Hanyu hasn't sealed the deal with me yet... I see him as vulnerable.

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    Yulia hasn't done with puberty yet so I don't know for sure, even though I love her.

    Adelina is often vulnerable outside of Russia. So let's see if she can survive next season with Radionova going senior.

    If PChan comes back next season, he would bring some balance to the men field I suppose. People still need him as the man to beat.

    It's true that Hanyu is still vunerable, especially those costumes but his self-confidence has a major boost this season so maybe he will be less tedious in the long program. He often starts slowly at the beginning of the season so I don't expect him to show us promising program in Skate Canada or Skate America yet.

    Mao still has some chance for another season with her 3A. But the new rule is against her.

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    I hope we can see some incredible rivalry between the Russian ladies in the upcoming quad. Maybe they'll push the sport forward the way Yagudin and Plushenko did back in the day. I'm worried about Mao because of the new edge rules. Maybe she needs to bring back two LP 3As. I really want her to return though.

    PChan's not gonna be the one to beat if he comes back, unless Hanyu implodes. Hanyu's incredible triple axels allow him to maximize points better than Patrick. Patrick dominated all those years because no one else was constantly throwing down two quads. Now Hanyu, Fernandez, and Machida have two+ quads... and better 3As to boot. Patrick should hope for a rule change that stops Hanyu from doing the choreographed 4S fall strategy.

    V/T will continue dominating pairs, though I have high hopes for Aliona and Bruno Massot. I may be a V/T fan, but I really want more medals (maybe even OGM?) for Aliona. She's truly a special pairs skater.

    Dance is the field that's most wide open, imo, between D/W and V/M leaving, and I/K splitting. I think it's a golden opportunity for all the teams out there next season to make an impression on the judges and set themselves on the path to dominance. There's no better time than now.

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    Sandpiper, you make some interesting points:

    I share your enthusiasm for the Russian ladies. I'm also interesting in seeing Gracie Gold's development, as well as Polina's. There are things that I admire about Ashley, but my gut tells me that her chances for a World podium have come and gone. Who knows about the Japanese... but someone will step in and fill the void. There's too much money to be made by a Japanese lady for someone not to be the new craze. Additionally, there's the Chinese, and up and coming Korean... and who knows who else is flying under the radar.

    Men: In addition to Hanyu, Fernandez, Ten, possibly Chan... I think this will be the quad when the American men become a force again. Brown, Farris, particularly, and Max Aaron will improve as well. The young Chinese skater is beginning to come into his own.

    Ice dance will be fun to watch. I can't wait.

    Pairs: My least favorite discipline. Assuming V/T last another four years, they should dominate, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    I hope we can see some incredible rivalry between the Russian ladies in the upcoming quad. Maybe they'll push the sport forward the way Yagudin and Plushenko did back in the day. I'm worried about Mao because of the new edge rules. Maybe she needs to bring back two LP 3As. I really want her to return though.

    PChan's not gonna be the one to beat if he comes back, unless Hanyu implodes. Hanyu's incredible triple axels allow him to maximize points better than Patrick. Patrick dominated all those years because no one else was constantly throwing down two quads. Now Hanyu, Fernandez, and Machida have two+ quads... and better 3As to boot. Patrick should hope for a rule change that stops Hanyu from doing the choreographed 4S fall strategy.

    V/T will continue dominating pairs, though I have high hopes for Aliona and Bruno Massot. I may be a V/T fan, but I really want more medals (maybe even OGM?) for Aliona. She's truly a special pairs skater.

    Dance is the field that's most wide open, imo, between D/W and V/M leaving, and I/K splitting. I think it's a golden opportunity for all the teams out there next season to make an impression on the judges and set themselves on the path to dominance. There's no better time than now.
    The Russian nation of ladies is gonna be blood bath, unfortunately Adelina is likely to dominate I suppose, given the fact that she is Tat's favourite. I hope Mao fix her edge if she comes back.

    PChan is still much loved by the judges, between him and Hanyu the judge might find it hard to choose. But between him and Javi and Machida, I doubt that the judges wouldn't choose him, given the fact that his basic skating skills are still superior to them. What a pity it seems he will stay out of the field for at least another year.
    Hanyu has the problem with his 3flip and 4S, I don't know if he will fix them next season, or just go on with them and add another 4 loop.

    Men field is getting more exciting, now that all the young men have quads but lackluster choreography. If PChan stays away for too long, he might fall behind.

    I hope the Shibs will rise next season, now that their coach will have more time for them, with D/W and V/M leaving.

    As for Aliona, I am very excited for her new costumes. She is never boring to watch.

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    I hope we'll see 3As (and even 4Ts?!) from the women. Probably hoping too much, but it looks like the right time--intense same-country rivalries benefit the sport. I dunno about the American ladies... I agree Ashley's time has likely passed, even though I love her and would much prefer her as leading US lady over Gracie. But I don't get good vibes from Gracie either. She doesn't seem consistent enough to challenge the Russians.

    Chan can probably win over Javi and Machida. But Hanyu will be "the one to beat." Not that Patrick can't beat him, of course--but the points seem stacked against him at this point. He's not consistent enough to take advantage of Hanyu's mistakes. Jason Brown's success depends heavily on a) can he get the quad b) how will the quad affect the rest of his skating (because the quad takes a lot out of you and you're not gonna do the quad, be done with it, and get on with the rest of the routine like nothing happened ). Time will tell if he becomes Patrick Chan or if he wanders around in half-quad limbo.

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