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    Official agenda of the upcoming ISU Congress

    http://static.isu.org/media/143870/1...gress-2014.pdf

    The proposals regarding the elimination of anonymous judging are #201 (page 83, Greece). #208 (Russia), and #209 (United States).

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    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    1. change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    2. change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    3. allow only two repetitions of each double (including double axel)
    4. count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    5. allow triple twist in junior pairs short program
    6. up the age limit for junior pairs and ice dance (21 instead of 20 for the men)
    7. EDIT : can't find the proposal anymore, i'm confused... maybe it didn't understand the right thing !
    8. count a triple that is repeated but not combined as a jump executed alone and just give 70% of the base value, instead of counting it as a sequence
    9. remove the choreographic sequence of the pairs free program
    10. give 30 seconds and not 60 seconds for the skater to take his starting position (but 60 seconds for the first skater of the flight)

    (These are the ones i remember and that i found more interesting ; i read it very quickly)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    - change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    - change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    - allow only two repetitions of each doubles (including double axel)
    - count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    1. Meh.
    2. If they do (1), then they should do (2) as well.
    3. So skaters are pretty much required to do both 2T and 2Lo? They'd need to reevaluate the way extra jumps get invalidated. It would be so stupid if a skater gets an entire, say, 3A-2T combination invalidated just because he/she did one too many 2T.
    4. Finally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    1. Meh.
    2. If they do (1), then they should do (2) as well.
    3. So skaters are pretty much required to do both 2T and 2Lo? They'd need to reevaluate the way extra jumps get invalidated. It would be so stupid if a skater gets an entire, say, 3A-2T combination invalidated just because he/she did one too many 2T.
    4. Finally...
    Well i added some proposals that were made if you wanna comment them too

    I agree with you on everything except for 3. i think skaters shouldn't be allowed to repeat double axel more than two times, as the number of rotations is the same as in triple jumps, but in fact, i think ISU want to see more 3-3 combos and variety of jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    1. change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    2. change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    3. allow only two repetitions of each double (including double axel)
    4. count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    5. allow triple twist in junior pairs short program
    6. up the age limit for junior pairs and ice dance (21 instead of 20 for the men)
    7. limitate the numbers of lifts in the choreography for pairs so viewers can make the difference between pairs and ice dance (from what i understood)***
    8. count a triple that is repeated but not combined as a jump executed alone and just give 70% of the base value, instead of counting it as a sequence
    9. remove the choreographic sequence of the pairs free program
    10. give 30 seconds and not 60 seconds for the skater to take his starting position (but 60 seconds for the first skater of the flight)
    (These are the ones i remember and that i found more interesting ; i read it very quickly)
    1 - No. I see no reason for men to executing all the elements in the same duration as women.
    2 - No.
    3 - okay
    4 - no
    5 - No
    6 - no
    7 - great idea
    8 - okay
    9 - okay
    10 - okay

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    Some interesting ideas. I like the different times in long programs.

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    I wish this was on the agenda

    Make the free program more FREE.

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    The amount of times i see 'the coumcil is not in favor of this' drives me mad.
    I have friends who would turn this into a drinking game if they had the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    The amount of times i see 'the coumcil is not in favor of this' drives me mad.
    I have friends who would turn this into a drinking game if they had the chance.
    The number of times that ISU gets to make a comment on their own members proposals is perplexing. And yes, most of them are 'not in favour'. So much for the members having input you'd have to think.

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    The isu has control over ballet on ice and ice theatre yet they do not seem to capitalise on this yet they punish those who try to do ut to promote the sport.

    This is more of a speed skating issue
    Another surprising thing is that they rejected a proposal to develop skatecross (the ice equivelent of ski cross or snowboard cross). It generates a tonne of revenue and it would be exciting to watch. It is currently spnsored by redbull but it could expand.

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    Where's the no-more-anonymous-judging proposal?

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    Ending Anonymous judging is an obvious one for me - it hasn't accomplished what was intended and the logic behind it never made sense to me anyway. On the other issue issues

    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    1. change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    2. change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    3. allow only two repetitions of each double (including double axel)
    4. count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    5. allow triple twist in junior pairs short program
    6. up the age limit for junior pairs and ice dance (21 instead of 20 for the men)
    7. limitate the numbers of lifts in the choreography for pairs so viewers can make the difference between pairs and ice dance (from what i understood)***
    8. count a triple that is repeated but not combined as a jump executed alone and just give 70% of the base value, instead of counting it as a sequence
    9. remove the choreographic sequence of the pairs free program
    10. give 30 seconds and not 60 seconds for the skater to take his starting position (but 60 seconds for the first skater of the flight)

    (These are the ones i remember and that i found more interesting ; i read it very quickly)
    1) In general, men have more stamina than women, but maybe this is off-set by the fact elite men are doing opening quads. I might like to see this experimented with. COP programs are pretty demanding, I'm curious if reducing the number of jumping passes for men would increase consistency. I lean towards no, but I'm open to the idea.

    2) I'm somewhat indifferent on this. My preference would actually be to keep the PCS multipliers on skating skills and transitions different and equate them for the remaining components, only because men, at a given level of the skill distribution, are going to be superior in things like edge quality.

    3) I'm alright with Zayak on the 2A, but I don't agree otherwise. I don't think this rule would be a problem for elite skaters. Most are not doing more than two doubles toes or double loops, anyway. I just think the rule is pretty pointless.

    4) I haven't heard a reason suggesting why not, so, yes.

    5) I really don't care either way.

    6) OK, sure.

    7) Is it really so difficult to tell the difference between pairs and dance?

    8) I don't like the sound of this, but I'm not sure.

    9) Why?

    10) Eh, make it 45 seconds.

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    Pairs jump and throw, ice dancers never do - shouldn't that be enough for the casual viewer to tell the difference? LOL

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    While I understand the intention of anonymous judging I think everyone can agree its time to go. My guess is we are a few seasons away from it happening. Hopefully the Feds keep the pressure up and we'll see it go at some point.

    On a slighty off topic remark I will continue to support and see no problem with Anonymous Penguins

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Where's the no-more-anonymous-judging proposal?
    I am curious about what the the Russian proposal (proposal 208) actually means. The proposal by Greece (proposal 201) and the proposal by USA (209) contain the specific language,

    The names of every Judge on the panel will be published along with their respective scores for each competition.
    This sentence is omitted from the Russian proposal, which only deletes the requirement of randomizing the judge's scores for each skater. If the proposals come up for a vote in the order listed, the Greek proposal will be voted on first. I assume, though, that the proposals will be consolidated before the vote.

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