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    Official agenda of the upcoming ISU Congress

    http://static.isu.org/media/143870/1...gress-2014.pdf

    The proposals regarding the elimination of anonymous judging are #201 (page 83, Greece). #208 (Russia), and #209 (United States).

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    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    1. change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    2. change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    3. allow only two repetitions of each double (including double axel)
    4. count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    5. allow triple twist in junior pairs short program
    6. up the age limit for junior pairs and ice dance (21 instead of 20 for the men)
    7. EDIT : can't find the proposal anymore, i'm confused... maybe it didn't understand the right thing !
    8. count a triple that is repeated but not combined as a jump executed alone and just give 70% of the base value, instead of counting it as a sequence
    9. remove the choreographic sequence of the pairs free program
    10. give 30 seconds and not 60 seconds for the skater to take his starting position (but 60 seconds for the first skater of the flight)

    (These are the ones i remember and that i found more interesting ; i read it very quickly)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    - change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    - change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    - allow only two repetitions of each doubles (including double axel)
    - count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    1. Meh.
    2. If they do (1), then they should do (2) as well.
    3. So skaters are pretty much required to do both 2T and 2Lo? They'd need to reevaluate the way extra jumps get invalidated. It would be so stupid if a skater gets an entire, say, 3A-2T combination invalidated just because he/she did one too many 2T.
    4. Finally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    1. Meh.
    2. If they do (1), then they should do (2) as well.
    3. So skaters are pretty much required to do both 2T and 2Lo? They'd need to reevaluate the way extra jumps get invalidated. It would be so stupid if a skater gets an entire, say, 3A-2T combination invalidated just because he/she did one too many 2T.
    4. Finally...
    Well i added some proposals that were made if you wanna comment them too

    I agree with you on everything except for 3. i think skaters shouldn't be allowed to repeat double axel more than two times, as the number of rotations is the same as in triple jumps, but in fact, i think ISU want to see more 3-3 combos and variety of jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    1. change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    2. change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    3. allow only two repetitions of each double (including double axel)
    4. count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    5. allow triple twist in junior pairs short program
    6. up the age limit for junior pairs and ice dance (21 instead of 20 for the men)
    7. limitate the numbers of lifts in the choreography for pairs so viewers can make the difference between pairs and ice dance (from what i understood)***
    8. count a triple that is repeated but not combined as a jump executed alone and just give 70% of the base value, instead of counting it as a sequence
    9. remove the choreographic sequence of the pairs free program
    10. give 30 seconds and not 60 seconds for the skater to take his starting position (but 60 seconds for the first skater of the flight)
    (These are the ones i remember and that i found more interesting ; i read it very quickly)
    1 - No. I see no reason for men to executing all the elements in the same duration as women.
    2 - No.
    3 - okay
    4 - no
    5 - No
    6 - no
    7 - great idea
    8 - okay
    9 - okay
    10 - okay

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    Some interesting ideas. I like the different times in long programs.

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    I wish this was on the agenda

    Make the free program more FREE.

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    The amount of times i see 'the coumcil is not in favor of this' drives me mad.
    I have friends who would turn this into a drinking game if they had the chance.

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    Ending Anonymous judging is an obvious one for me - it hasn't accomplished what was intended and the logic behind it never made sense to me anyway. On the other issue issues

    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    1. change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    2. change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    3. allow only two repetitions of each double (including double axel)
    4. count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    5. allow triple twist in junior pairs short program
    6. up the age limit for junior pairs and ice dance (21 instead of 20 for the men)
    7. limitate the numbers of lifts in the choreography for pairs so viewers can make the difference between pairs and ice dance (from what i understood)***
    8. count a triple that is repeated but not combined as a jump executed alone and just give 70% of the base value, instead of counting it as a sequence
    9. remove the choreographic sequence of the pairs free program
    10. give 30 seconds and not 60 seconds for the skater to take his starting position (but 60 seconds for the first skater of the flight)

    (These are the ones i remember and that i found more interesting ; i read it very quickly)
    1) In general, men have more stamina than women, but maybe this is off-set by the fact elite men are doing opening quads. I might like to see this experimented with. COP programs are pretty demanding, I'm curious if reducing the number of jumping passes for men would increase consistency. I lean towards no, but I'm open to the idea.

    2) I'm somewhat indifferent on this. My preference would actually be to keep the PCS multipliers on skating skills and transitions different and equate them for the remaining components, only because men, at a given level of the skill distribution, are going to be superior in things like edge quality.

    3) I'm alright with Zayak on the 2A, but I don't agree otherwise. I don't think this rule would be a problem for elite skaters. Most are not doing more than two doubles toes or double loops, anyway. I just think the rule is pretty pointless.

    4) I haven't heard a reason suggesting why not, so, yes.

    5) I really don't care either way.

    6) OK, sure.

    7) Is it really so difficult to tell the difference between pairs and dance?

    8) I don't like the sound of this, but I'm not sure.

    9) Why?

    10) Eh, make it 45 seconds.

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    Pairs jump and throw, ice dancers never do - shouldn't that be enough for the casual viewer to tell the difference? LOL

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    While I understand the intention of anonymous judging I think everyone can agree its time to go. My guess is we are a few seasons away from it happening. Hopefully the Feds keep the pressure up and we'll see it go at some point.

    On a slighty off topic remark I will continue to support and see no problem with Anonymous Penguins

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILuvYuna View Post
    Pairs jump and throw, ice dancers never do - shouldn't that be enough for the casual viewer to tell the difference? LOL
    Exactly. That's how I'd explain it to a new viewer.

    Besides, if they know enough about how many lifts there are, don't they already know how to tell the difference?

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    To me, the difference between dance lifts and pairs lifts (star lifts, lasso lifts, etc.) is pretty stark already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caelum View Post
    9) Why?

    10) Eh, make it 45 seconds.
    To reflect the change of duration in the free skate, if proposal is accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FS.Addict View Post
    Besides the elimination of anonymous judging, there are also proposals to:
    1. change every free skate duration to 4 minutes (and 7 jumps instead of 8 for the men)
    2. change the PCs factors so they are the same for men and ladies
    3. allow only two repetitions of each double (including double axel)
    4. count ChSq even if executed before the StSq
    5. allow triple twist in junior pairs short program
    6. up the age limit for junior pairs and ice dance (21 instead of 20 for the men)
    7. EDIT : can't find the proposal anymore, i'm confused... maybe it didn't understand the right thing !
    8. count a triple that is repeated but not combined as a jump executed alone and just give 70% of the base value, instead of counting it as a sequence
    9. remove the choreographic sequence of the pairs free program
    10. give 30 seconds and not 60 seconds for the skater to take his starting position (but 60 seconds for the first skater of the flight)

    (These are the ones i remember and that i found more interesting ; i read it very quickly)
    Big NO to 1, 2, 5.
    Not sure about 3 (yes for double axel, but it shouldn't be done for 2T and 2Lo)
    Big YES to 4 and 6
    I still can't see the point of reducing the value of a triple jump if it is executed twice alone: the skater loses the points of the combo, but that shouldn't affect the jump itself for me... It should be marked 3x+COMBO making it count as a "not executed combination" or something like that but without affecting the score of that jump
    Don't really care about 9 and 10: ChSq in Pairs is often boring and awkward, so yes it could be good to remove it, but it doesn't really change a lot... The same for the time allowed to take the starting position: 1 minute is really a lot, but it doesn't really make any difference since most skaters use 20-30 seconds only.
    And... isn't there enough difference between Ice Dance and Pairs?

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