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Thread: Figure Skating-ISU president must quit before sport dies

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    News Figure Skating-ISU president must quit before sport dies


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    Hell yeah! Get this corrupt official out of here!

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    That is a great article!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitt View Post
    That is a great article!
    So many great points were made. The only thing I take issue with is when people talk about CoP being all about "racking up points". Whenever that line gets used, it somehow gives validation to the results, as though the judging in competitions is fair and objective and it's just the scoring system's fault. Obviously this is not the case, and takes away from the main point that the judging is corrupt and the scoring system allows the sport to be even more corrupt than it's ever been, which was one of Mr. Wood's main arguments.

    I for one applaud Tim Wood, and I hope more skaters with high standing in the figure skating community will go on record with similar feelings.

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    good one except for the reinstatement of the 6.0 quote

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    Everything great , but NO just NO for return of 6.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanDomi View Post
    Everything great , but NO just NO for return of 6.0.
    this, no way going back to 6.0 ordinal system too

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    Wow! That was a good write up.

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    This is the most interesting point, to me. (Ven has made the same point on these boards.)

    "The general public tastes and preferences have shifted away from figure skating to the TV world of dance. This move by the public not only depletes revenues but the public has become sophisticated and knowledgeable about movement and creativity.

    "Over 40 million people watch those shows. Now they go back and look at figure skating which is pre embryonic in its understanding and knowledge of movement in comparison."
    If this is true, then the way back for figure skating ought to be clear. More art, less sport.

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    Very interesting indeed but I also don't think that going back to the 6.0 system would be a good idea. But definitely Cinquanta needs to go

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    Figure skating is a SPORT with addition of artistry to it. It always was a SPORT, not artistic show. If someone want to watch pure artistry only then should go to watch ice dancing or exhibitions, or even better... dancing with the stars Really I would stop watching men competition if it would be all about artististry in future. Since I mostly watch men, all I can say about it should be athletic, powerfull... with ADDITION of artistry. It always was like that.
    Here I am saying mostly about men competition. I don't have the proper knowledge to discuss about ice dancing, so maybe there are needed changes.

    Many just complaining about current judging system. But I will say. It is not the system that is wrong, but the people that are using it to judge. Remove anonymus. Not that stupid idea of returning 6.0 system. What could be changed is showing information about programs for spectators that are watching it. For example information about BV for the programs for current skater etc. For me current system is clear. I can physically see how much there is diffrence in technical content stuff for example between programs of skaters

    Only thing that could be repaired, is PCS. But it started to get all wrong unfortunately from Patrick Chan in my opinion, when judges started to giving him high PCS, and higher PCS, and higher than higher, and it raised to astronomical level

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanDomi View Post
    Figure skating is a SPORT with addition of artistry to it. It always was a SPORT, not artistic show. If someone want to watch pure artistry only then should go to watch ice dancing or exhibitions, or even better... dancing with the stars
    Well, the article is about the question, why has the popularity of figure skating taken a nose dive at the very time when shows like Dancing With the Stars have become popular.

    Here is the problem. Suppose I fancy myself to be the world's biggest sports fan. I am looking around for a sport that me and my beer-guzzling friends can go ape over. I know! -- Figure Skating!

    As a pure sport, figure skating will never complete with soccer, baseball, etc., in terms of audience appeal. To succeed, skating must emphasize what makes it different from common sports, not try to mimic them.

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    I'm not sure I want 6.0 system back. IMO this system is good. Some skaters get more points on PCS than they deserve, so maybe ISU should think about it. But under 6.0 system some skaters were judged unfairly too. Despite I love this sport, we still watch subjective sport and there will be always something what should be more fair...But I absolutely agree, that Cinquanta needs to go now. His new "great idea about eliminating SP"(and many other things) can't be acceptable and shows that Cinquanta is just stupid...So remove Cinquanta but DON'T returne to old system.

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    Figure skating shouldn't be ruled by someone who is a former speed skater. Get Speedy out!

    Mixed feelings about IJS vs. 6.0. I do like how we can see protocols with IJS, and you can argue it's "fairer." But--call me crazy--I think 6.0 was more audience friendly. A holistic mark would be better for the sport's popularity, imo, though I dunno if it actually more fair to the athletes. I don't think bringing back 6.0 ordinals would be the best idea, but having everyone marked out of 10.0, for artistry and technical merit, and then adding/averaging the scores... I wouldn't be against it.

    IJS certainly needs fixing, at any rate. Falls need to be punished more, for starters.

    Figure skating is both art and sport. The "win through math" part can get annoying, but I definitely don't want everyone running around doing double jumps.

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    What was so interesting here? I had to read it twice thinking I clearly missed something.

    I learned nothing new at all nor did I see one valid solution offered really. Mr Wood borderline insults the new talents in skating calling them point getting one trick ponies. That's refreshing. The author is clearly a disgruntled post Sochi Fan with statements like

    Figure skating made a swath of negative headlines at the Sochi Olympics in February when Russia's Adelina Sotnikova took a shock gold in the women's event which drew derision outside of the host nation.

    The teenager was the only one of the leading trio whose free programme contained an obvious mistake - a two-footed landing from a double loop - but the nine-member judging panel declared her a winner with a personal best score just shy of defending champion Kim Yuna's world record.

    Two million people have since signed a petition demanding an inquiry but Cinquanta has failed to deliver leaving Wood pessimistic about the chances of his demands being heard.

    "Talk about arrogance and lack of transparency," he said of the Italian's silence.

    "The judging system is so complicated and so corrupt that the viewing public has no idea of what's going on."
    Talk about one sidedness. There was also a swath of positive stories too that came out around the Olympics. Yahoo sports does it again

    If skating turns into Dancing with the Stars you can count me out!!! I look to skaters for athletic ability first with artistry mixed in. Not hollywood appeal and dance moves. There is a reason people are eating over reports of new quads. There is a reason people all over the globe took notice of a little spinner from Russia. People want something new and exciting. That to me is what is interesting.

    1)Bring back 6.0 ?? Come on.

    2)Everyone agrees that Cinquanta needs to go. The story should have stopped there. The rest was pointless venting to me.

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