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Yulia has always been smaller than the girls her age and likely will always be tiny. Look at how short her legs are and then how long her torso is. She is done growing almost fully. People claim she has no hips just aren't looking at current pictures of her. One of my best friends (she is in her 20's) has no eating disorder and is as small and not as "developed" as Yulia. So what. She has a thyroid issue. It happens. Yet people always speculate. It's very annoying. Facts people. FACTS!!
I too think Julia will not grow any taller, based on her grandmothers genetics
Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch
she will also likely stay petite like Sasha
Well, I don't care what someone looks like as long as they can do their jumps. Unfortunately, physics often means that certain body types--and certain puberty changes--will make the jumps harder. Just like certain physiques are more suited for any sport: swimming, sprinting, jumping, whatnot. Certain physiques can make better lines than others, but you can compensate for that by being a good performer and choosing the right programs.
As with anything, there's the right way to go about a diet and the wrong way to go about it. I hope no skaters take the latter route. It definitely could be a problem in this sport. I wouldn't say we shouldn't talk about weight, but hopefully it can be done in a polite, constructive manner, with regards to how it affects performance, rather than being horrible and insensitive.
Jenny Kirk has talked extensively about eating disorders and pressure to stay skinny over healthy.
Originally Posted by Sandpiper
I know poor Rachel Flatt got so much grief over her body type. I always thought she looked like Midori Ito.
I know eating disorders are rampant in the dancing world, but I never understood how you could have an ED and still have the energy to train and dance like they do. Is it a case of, instead of only eating 500 calories a day, they eat 5,000 but burn 10,000? I just...can't wrap my head around it.
When Johnny Weir competed on Chopped (a cooking competition here in the States), the judges said his food was delicious but the portions were too small. Johnny was surprised because they were normal portions for him
I think I read the article. I dunno if it's the same one you're talking about... I can't find the link anymore.
Originally Posted by UnsaneLily87
I'm not any kind of diet or health expert, so I've no idea how skaters should balance this. How they are to remain in competition weight without starving themselves. The way I look at it: if you can still do the tricks, you're fine. No point trying to please the haters.
Meglio l'ultimo sorriso, che il primo riso.
My experience with the ballerinas at my accademy, I don't know if is the same for the skters, was that they were always eating tbh. They had different meals from the musicians, a good diet, but they will not starving themselves at all. You can't dance being weak and you are when you don't eat.
Originally Posted by Sandpiper
This was many years ago, so I don't know if today they can do that, not eating, and maybe they take other things to keep themselves strong and have the energy to dance.
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Alba raises a good point about keeping up your strength. Food is a body's fuel, without it, the body will fail. Fatigue, injuries, and long term heart damage, etc.
It's so sad to think of young girls pushed into disordered eating habits. They're often not yet old enough to select their meals themselves. I understand a certain level of fitness is required, and a part of that is not being overweight. But a good diet of lean protiens, fruits, veggies and a treat here and there should be just fine for most young girls.
I was quite happy to see somewhere that while the US ladies were training in Austria during the Olympics, they posted some pictures of each other enjoying some of the yummy goodies on offer That's what it's all about, striking that balance.
Michelle Kwan has never been out of shape...she may not have been in fighting shape...or 2001 Worlds shape, and if you feel that way then fine, say so but I encourage everyone to choose their words carefully and be exact in what you mean.
Tanith Belbin has talked about the pressures she used to feel about weight. In fact, when she and Agosto switched coaches, Natalia Linichuk I think gave her an ultimatum because she was too thin (can't find that article anymore). It was more of a case of disordered eating than an eating disorder though; and the two are different. This article talks about it too though: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/sp...cers.html?_r=0
And I know that Tessa Virtue has spoken about it before too, I believe....I know she's been criticized for her weight in the past. Heck, comments were even made during their reality show - one comment that stuck out was that a former female athlete (non-skater) was talking about how the guys will be eating but none of the girls will be (or to that effect in how they'd all be eating at Sochi and at Skate Canada training - maybe?).
Gymnastics, FS, dance - all have reputations for the weight issue. But, so does swimming if you were ever a part of that
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I remember that article!
Originally Posted by snowflakebeautiful
She said that when she gained weight it made it easier for Ben to do lifts with her because she could put her own strength into it as opposed to making him do all the work.
In fact, that's what Marina and Igor have always done fairly well with - all their female dancers, though obviously petite, have well-defined muscles and all appear to be at a healthy weight. Thus why V/M, D/W, B/A, and P/B were able to do such difficult lifts and make it look so effortless. (I'd include C/B and Shibs, but they aren't up to the artistry level or technicality of the others I named.)
Yes!! I really like that article because Tanith was so honest about how she felt about gaining weight and the pressure and such. And I feel like by reading it, you get a good idea of disordered eating - case study wise.
Originally Posted by fleeting
And you're right! Marina and Igor's ladies usually do have good muscle definition. That being said, Tanith did have her issues when she was with them. Like I said, I don't think she was full on confronted about it until Natalia pretty much gave her an ultimatum about it. And I'm glad that it sounds and seems like she responded well to that; and is at a healthier weight.
On a different note, I know there have been rumors about certain training locations where weight is more scrutinized than others; and that the females are supposedly on certain diets - to keep it all p.c. I'm not sure how much of that is true, so I'm not going to name names or anything. If someone else has more concrete facts on this, then it'd be interesting to hear....but as it is, I think it's just gossip at this point.
I'd also like to add that I find it very stupid that the focus seems to be entirely on girls.
Evgeni Plushenko admitted to not eating more than an apple a day before Vancouver. If you look at the pics of him at Euros that season compared to the Olympics - at Euros he looked fit and healthy, in Vancouver he was a pale shadow. (Take a look at the way his costume fits at Euros, then doesn't fit at the Olys. Says it all.)
Max Aaron broke his back lifting weights to try and put on weight! (Admittedly, this is while he was playing hockey...)
Joshua Farris openly celebrated putting on weight on Twitter last summer.
Yagudin was another who said he was eating little before Salt Lake City.
I was watching a video interview with Jason Brown from when he was sixteen-almost-seventeen. He'd just grown three inches. The interviewer asked him how much he weighed now, and Jason answered "135". The interviewer expressed surprise, and when Jason asked, "Is that bad?" the interviewer replied, "You look like you're bigger than that, that's good!"
So it's not just the girls who are hit with it, it's the boys too, only they're often under pressure from BOTH directions - to gain weight (muscle) and lose.
Very valid point!!! I totally agree with you. Heck, it's so silly, but look at the photos that certain male ice dancers and pairs skaters post of themselves at the gym and/or shirtless to show their muscles... I think everyone feels the pressure regardless of gender
Originally Posted by karne
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Let's just not be to quick to discount hard work here on this thread. My favorite little Russian has said she eats tangerines and fish almost daily (both benefit a slim shape) and also skates 4hrs with a 1hr session of flexibility exercises followed by running on a treadmill. There is something to be said for hard work too. It's a lot tougher than just not eating food.