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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    So far I can't think of any time when a skater or a couple used the waltz from Prokofiev's Cinderella, which is a gorgeous haunting piece.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSm2tQwLuPg
    It is beautiful and me too can't remember any skater using this, but team Canada 1 did it at Courmayeur.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xdKLF6x_xQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    So far I can't think of any time when a skater or a couple used the waltz from Prokofiev's Cinderella, which is a gorgeous haunting piece.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSm2tQwLuPg
    This is a truly beautiful piece with great highs and lows in the tune!! No one has used it?! ...That just seems to good to be true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflakebeautiful View Post
    This is a truly beautiful piece with great highs and lows in the tune!! No one has used it?! ...That just seems to good to be true...
    Sometimes I think the FS world is quite ignorant when it comes to music, even with classic music that is used so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alba View Post
    Sometimes I think the FS world is quite ignorant when it comes to music, even with cassic music that is used so much.
    I think you're right. I don't know about the coaches and choreographers (I am fairly sure that Lori Nichol for one is familiar with a wide range of music), but I suspect that in the U.S. at least, the skaters themselves don't get exposed to classical music unless their families make a point of it. (I once interviewed a skater who told me that her favorite composer was Yanni. In her defense, she was a junior-age skater at the time.) In my own experience, I was very familiar with classical music as a child and a teenager because Mom had the classical radio station on nonstop. I loved it from an early age, probably as a result of this early acquaintance with it. My friend was knowledgeable because her father was a music professor. Beyond that, few people among my friends had any familiarity with it, even including the ones who took piano lessons. (They just learned the pieces they were playing, and that was it.) It's just not part of the fabric anymore in this country. Of course I can't speak for European or Asian countries, where this form of music is more highly respected.

    Alba, I know that you have actually studied music, so you and I are on the same side in this. (Except that you're far more knowledgeable!) Maybe they should hire people like us and other GS members as consultants. We'd beef up the repertoire pretty quickly.

    ETA: On this topic, I think a lot of Americans of today would be astonished to learn that some of the regular radio stations in this country used to play a lot more classical music, because it was considered important to the culture. NBC actually had its own orchestra, the NBC Symphony. Its conductor during its lifespan (1937 to 1954) was no less than Arturo Toscanini. The Wiki article lists an impressive list of guest conductors, as well. This orchestra was a commitment from the top down (David Sarnoff, the network chairman, spearheaded this project) to enrich the cultural lives or ordinary people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Symphony_Orchestra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    ETA: On this topic, I think a lot of Americans of today would be astonished to learn that some of the regular radio stations in this country used to play a lot more classical music, because it was considered important to the culture. NBC actually had its own orchestra, the NBC Symphony. Its conductor during its lifespan (1937 to 1954) was no less than Arturo Toscanini. The Wiki article lists an impressive list of guest conductors, as well. This orchestra was a commitment from the top down (David Sarnoff, the network chairman, spearheaded this project) to enrich the cultural lives or ordinary people.
    I remember those "Symphony of the Air" broadcasts when I was in grade school. They were broadcast during school hours and piped into the classrooms. That was our music lesson for the day. (Yes, I am that old. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alba View Post
    Sometimes I think the FS world is quite ignorant when it comes to music, even with classic music that is used so much.
    I've taken music lessons since I was little....so I know a lot of great pieces. I'm more lacking in the far back (to me) knowledge of what has and hasn't been used. I love classical music! I listen to it when I'm studying or getting ready for bed or whatever. It just really calms me and makes me happy, lol. It's such a shame that skaters don't utilize a wider range of music... Granted, I also understand that certain pieces of music are generally much more well received than others - so, even using classical ballet pieces, it may feel like sticking yourself out on a limb to use a "new" one at times. Plus, I think skaters grow up having their favorite skaters and watching them do just amazing performances to certain songs, so there's also that potential piece in choosing one's music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I think you're right. I don't know about the coaches and choreographers (I am fairly sure that Lori Nichol for one is familiar with a wide range of music), but I suspect that in the U.S. at least, the skaters themselves don't get exposed to classical music unless their families make a point of it. (I once interviewed a skater who told me that her favorite composer was Yanni. In her defense, she was a junior-age skater at the time.) In my own experience, I was very familiar with classical music as a child and a teenager because Mom had the classical radio station on nonstop. I loved it from an early age, probably as a result of this early acquaintance with it. My friend was knowledgeable because her father was a music professor. Beyond that, few people among my friends had any familiarity with it, even including the ones who took piano lessons. (They just learned the pieces they were playing, and that was it.) It's just not part of the fabric anymore in this country. Of course I can't speak for European or Asian countries, where this form of music is more highly respected.
    When Lori Nichol chose Shostakovich for Carolina's SP I was surprised. Shostakovich is not unknown but not used at all, although I admit is difficult in general to listen (one of my fav) let alone for FS. I don't think it worked for her but I appreciate the idea very much.

    The thing is most of them are lazy, I think.
    I don't know if it's because many of them are young and spend much time training, so dedicating more time to listen to different kind of music or composers it's kind of boring or tiring for them.
    Choreographers also are busy but it's their job to help them. Coaches are way too busy and some of them don't even go there, choosing the music I mean.
    The thing is though if you like Bolero why not listen some other works from Ravel? Is it possible that we have to hear only Clair de Lune from Debussy?!
    Stravinsky has done other works not just Firebird, which by the way the majority of the skaters can't even skate it properly.

    I remember Barbara and Maurizio in an interview before Olympics in 2002 said: The FD music is of course not accidental. The Olympics are in USA so we're dancing to "I'll Survive". Not to mention the irony in that title, but really? You're skating in USA and all you come up with is "I'll Survive"?!


    ETA: On this topic, I think a lot of Americans of today would be astonished to learn that some of the regular radio stations in this country used to play a lot more classical music, because it was considered important to the culture. NBC actually had its own orchestra, the NBC Symphony. Its conductor during its lifespan (1937 to 1954) was no less than Arturo Toscanini. The Wiki article lists an impressive list of guest conductors, as well. This orchestra was a commitment from the top down (David Sarnoff, the network chairman, spearheaded this project) to enrich the cultural lives or ordinary people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Symphony_Orchestra
    It's a real loss, I think, that it doesn't exist anymore.
    These things should be preserved as national treasures, IMO, especially in USA.


    Maybe they should hire people like us and other GS members as consultants. We'd beef up the repertoire pretty quickly.
    I'm 100% sure about that.

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    I also grew up listening to classical music; my mom loved it and took me to concerts and operas, too. Ended up as a music major in college and have never regretted it for a moment although I never played professionally.

    When I first moved to New York a gazillion years ago, there were 3 classical stations and a couple of others devoted to real jazz. No more. One of the classical stations was sold and one of the others (WQXR, the NY Times station) has watered down its programming, especially in the morning when they're apt to broadcast single movements of a symphony or string quartet as opposed to the whole thing. NPR is still OK, but overall there isn't nearly as much available for listening and often it's just the standards. It's so unfortunate.

    Another thing that breaks my heart is that when schools need to save money, the first things to go are music and art. Nothing against math & science -- far from it! -- but the arts are food for the soul. We need both.

    Back on topic, though: didn't the Duchesnays use "The Rite of Spring" once upon a time?

    EDIT: answering my own question. Searched the Duchesnays on YouTube and the dance I thought used "The Rite of Spring" was something else entirely. The costumes would have worked, though!

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    Ty to all, a treasure trove. Ballet music is ultimate vehicle even if over used. Did I see Gracie's sleeping beauty on there? Perhaps another thread would be contemporary music written after 1950. Ballet is easy music to move to and I am enjoying these so much hope yu all are too .

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflakebeautiful View Post
    This is a truly beautiful piece with great highs and lows in the tune!! No one has used it?! ...That just seems to good to be true...
    Yukari Nakano used it in 2007
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkCnSFf_WSY

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    Recently, I came across an interview to Torvill and Dean, in which they explained how they chose Bolero. They went to BBC-radio's library and listened to a lot of records for days until they found the most suitable music.

    Nowadays, you don't need to do that: whoever has a couple spare hours can go on youtube and listen to LOTS of music of every genre and repertoire, and in many versions: so, even if you are no expert, you can easily find something you like and can skate to.

    I, too, think it's mostly laziness: that music worked for so many skaters, let's use it again. That's why I groan when I watch programs set to warhorses: even if,in most cases, the music is a masterpiece, the interpretation is often quite forgettable.

    I thoroughly agree with Alba when she says that skaters should explore the repertoire of great composers, instead of picking always the same pieces.

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    Dmitri Dmitrenko, Rite of Spring

    Aleksei Urmanov also used it for his 1991 short program, but that is not available on youtube

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    Denise Biellmann too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik24lVGqXp8
    At least in theory should be the Rite of Spring. I hate the remix here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zora View Post
    Yukari Nakano used it in 2007
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkCnSFf_WSY
    Thanks! Nakano is exquisite, except for that lamentable leg wrap.

    It occurs to me that another great piece to mine for skating programs would be Prokofiev's Classical Symphony.

    Alba, you know I agree with your point about exploring other pieces by the composers of the great warhorses! For example, the boundlessly rich Rimsky-Korsakov composed stunning works (a lot of them operas) that are full of promising music. Scheherazade is gorgeous, but that's just one of his works. There's stuff in Sadko, Le Coq D'Or, and The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh, just for starters, that would make radiant programs, with great rhythm changes because so many of them are based on folk traditions if not on the actual folk melodies. Then there is other stuff from Ravel and Debussy, whom you mentioned, along with other French composers such as Faure and even a few obscure one-hit wonders such as Vincent D'Indy (Symphony on a French Mountain Air, for example). As for Italy, Respighi comes to mind. They really ought to ask us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Then there is other stuff from Ravel
    La Valse

    and Debussy,
    Reverie (middle section; sorry, I can't cue it up while at work; she also used that music in her original amateur days)

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