So, what's your verdict? Is having improper lutz better than having no lutz?
Because it seems that this is what the current scoring system says (correct me if I'm wrong).
Miki Ando (I think she is the best!)
So Youn Park
With the recent changes of deductions on wrong edges, how can Mao or Kanako (or other chronic flutzers/lippers) 'evade' or 'outsmart' those calls? any jump layout ideas?
Just being worried for them....
Now, what do we think. Should a proper double lutz be worth as much or more as a triple flutz?
.Now, what do we think. Should a proper double lutz be worth as much or more as a triple flutz?
Moving double jumps values up is probably not good for the sport IMO
Triple Lutz is worth 6.0pts and a double Lutz 2.1pts. I hope no one thinks a flutz is worth nearly a 4pt deduction! Conversely a 2Lz really shouldn't be worth any more. So do we really want to penalize a flutz to that degree? -4pts!!! Before GOE!!! A fall should be focused on and punished more IMO. At least the crowd can see a fall or bad step out. I think the rule should be along the lines of if replay is needed to penalize any element it the deduction should be capped at how much can be reduced. Obviously this would be lesser than any deduction spotted with the naked eye. Minor flutzes or Lips that need replay to be identified should never recieve more than a 1pt deduction IMO ...maybe -2 if it is severe. If it is really disruptive enough to warrant a -2 or -3 shouldn't it be identified with the naked eye?
The judges must be allowed to "judge" at some point. Lets face it...some flutz are worse than others. Let the judges sort it out. It is their job after all.
Last edited by Sam-Skwantch; 05-15-2014 at 10:14 AM. Reason: I combined two posts and had to edit out extra sentences...sorry
This is a minority view, but it kind of nags at the back of our minds when we argue for leniency. -- or rather when we argue that there is more to the Lutz jump than just the take-off edge.
A triple flutz is the wrong version of a listed jump but it is still a triple jump that is harder than a loop. It should be penalized more than it was this last quad but it should still be worth something, much like a fall on a fully rotated 4T should be worth more than a 1T. As for applying Zayak rules, what if you take off on a flattish edge? If a close call makes a 6 point difference then that gives the tech panel too much power.
Men flutz too, even the beloved Jason Brown. A very slight flutz but it's there.