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Thread: Patrick Chan not Ruling Out Competing at Next Winter Olympics

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    You're right, he's not getting the same. He's getting higher PCS (see TEB 2013 just 6 months ago), allowing him to get the current World Record score. As it should be.
    Everyone's PCS and scores in general goes up over time all the time (yet one of many things you seem clueless to given your attempts of comparing scores even 5 or 6 years apart sometimes). At some point soon they will have to a crackdown and make it alot harder again as now skaters are hitting constant +3s and 10s in PCS and there will be nowhere to go. D&W and V&M for instance have reached the point of nearly all perfect scores. In a relative sense his PCS are far closer to his competitors than they were even a year or two ago. That is what the previous posters were referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanDomi View Post
    Han Yan and Jason Brown, they both still have long way until they will reach Yuzu or Javier technical level honestly, if they will.

    The biggest Patrick rival is Yuzuru, but I think Javier still can make surprise if he will have right mind setup But I think with every next season it will be very hard for Chan to catch Hanyu. His axel is not working, he is getting older, Hanyu is working on other quads, and still not reached his peak, but it would be more interesting with him
    I think Fernandez will make a big move next year and seriously challenge Hanyu for the world title next year and the coming years. I laugh at the people who think Machida is going to be above him just because he placed above at worlds (in Japan with majorly home cooked scores). I dont see Brown ever being more than maybe a bronze-ish contender in the future. Yan has more chance to get there someday since he atleast has the technical goods and can improve the artistry.

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    At 23, Chan has pretty much reached his technical peak. He could clean up his 3a as best he can, but IMO it will never be a secure jump for him. At 27, he will be past his peak and struggling to retain his technical skills while being more injury prone. Fernandez is the same age as Chan but has a more impressive technical arsenal, with two different quads and a secure 3a; Javier hasn't quite peaked yet. Hanyu will be 23 and at his peak; he is working on more types of quads and should be even more formidable in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    At 23, Chan has pretty much reached his technical peak. He could clean up his 3a as best he can, but IMO it will never be a secure jump for him. At 27, he will be past his peak and struggling to retain his technical skills while being more injury prone. Fernandez is the same age as Chan but has a more impressive technical arsenal, with two different quads and a secure 3a; Javier hasn't quite peaked yet. Hanyu will be 23 and at his peak; he is working on more types of quads and should be even more formidable in 2018.
    Chan should get this loud and clear, he got his chance in 2014 and still didn't win
    its game over and he should just retire officially for good

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    At 23, Chan has pretty much reached his technical peak. He could clean up his 3a as best he can, but IMO it will never be a secure jump for him. At 27, he will be past his peak and struggling to retain his technical skills while being more injury prone. Fernandez is the same age as Chan but has a more impressive technical arsenal, with two different quads and a secure 3a; Javier hasn't quite peaked yet. Hanyu will be 23 and at his peak; he is working on more types of quads and should be even more formidable in 2018.
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    Chan should get this loud and clear, he got his chance in 2014 and still didn't win
    its game over and he should just retire officially for good
    So other than Hanyu the OGM, and those under 23, all should retire? Oh, of course, your favorites will peak at 2018 whatever their ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    So other than Hanyu the OGM, and those under 23, all should retire? Oh, of course, your favorites will peak at 2018 whatever their ages.
    Well very few skaters even compete at the Olympics at 27, let alone are contenders. The only recent ones I can think of are Irina Slutskaya in 2006, and Evgeny Plushenko in 2010, but for Plushenko especialy it was a failure in a sense (especialy in his own mind) as he lost to someone he would have beaten by about 30 points only 4 years earlier. 25 for singles skaters is usually about the limit for that. Of course it is anyones choice if they want to try. Fumie is still trying for god knows what at age 34 after all. Chan could try to compete at the Games at 27 if he wants, but I dont think it is very likely all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    So other than Hanyu the OGM, and those under 23, all should retire? Oh, of course, your favorites will peak at 2018 whatever their ages.
    Javier has far superior technical arsenal and he hasn't even peaked yet, Chan has unstable 3A and quads
    Chan is no Plushenko that he can still guarantee he can still peak at 27 or over

    Chan's time was in 2014 but he lost to the talented wonderkid Yuzuru Hanyu
    Yuzuru, Javier, Han Yan, Jason and many others will be ahead of him by then
    he passed his peak and his over scoring peak. done. game over

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    Chan improving his technical arsenal at 27 would be pretty implausible. I think he can improve his consistency though. The problem at Sochi was that he showed he couldn't take advantage of Yuzuru "insane BV" Hanyu's mistakes even when Hanyu made them. Chan can still win if he learns to become the only consistent man in the field. ...That's probably a tall order though--maybe even as difficult as learning a new quad.

    That being said, I don't hold too much stock in Hanyu learning new quads until he lands them in competition. There are many more people who landed quad loop/flip/lutz in practice than ones who actually did--or even tried--in competition (actually, nobody landed a ratified loop or flip). Hanyu's advantage is that IJS is so forgiving to falls he can try 'em and keep failing... and still win because of his BV.

    Next OGM... well, both Chan and Hanyu will have their own difficulties. No Canadian man has ever won gold, and no man has won a second (individual) Olympic gold since Dick Button. So it'll be Canadian curse vs. reigning Olympic champ curse. Chan will be 27 and no one sans Plushenko has been a contender at that age; he did not go out dominating the field like Plushenko did either, but he hasn't suffered from the same degree of injuries. But Hanyu is a Japanese man competing on Korean soil, so maybe they'll screw him over.

    More likely, someone new will emerge. Or Javier and Machida, being late-bloomers, could end up pulling ahead. All this isn't to say Chan shouldn't continue (I don't care either way); he'll still be near the top even if he isn't at the very top all the time anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Javier has far superior technical arsenal and he hasn't even peaked yet, Chan has unstable 3A and quads
    Chan is no Plushenko that he can still guarantee he can still peak at 27 or over
    Plushenko wasnt even close to peak at 27. As I said he lost to someone (Lysacek) he would have crushed by 30 points in his 2006 form. He was lucky Vancouver was a splatfest or he could have finished 5th or 6th, vs Turin when he unbeatable by a huge margin even if eveyone skated their best.

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    Machida seems to be peaking now, and he will be 28 in 2018. IMO, his presentation qualities rank below Hanyu and Fernandez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Machida seems to be peaking now, and he will be 28 in 2018. IMO, his presentation qualities rank below Hanyu and Fernandez.
    I don't think Machida will be around in 2018
    Japan has another superstar climbing in the men's senior ranks soon, Shoma Uno

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    Well very few skaters even compete at the Olympics at 27, let alone are contenders.
    Kostner??

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    Chan has not committed to 2018 Olympics. I was referring to the theory that if a male skater didn't win the Olympics by age 23, even with the Silver, he is past his peak and

    should get this loud and clear, he got his chance (in 2014) and still didn't win
    its game over and he should just retire officially for good
    which surely applies to most competing skaters.

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    Chans golden moment has passed him by imo. If he wants to compete, then proceed with eyes wide open that his sun is setting. Imo he could use his time and energies more profitably.

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