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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    Everyone back to Lillehammer!! :P

    Or if they return to Vancouver, they could use everything already in place, house the athletes on chartered cruise ships (since the Pacific coast cruises all seem to dock in Vancouver and use it as a home base - and I'm only half-joking about this), and the monorail and highway to Whistler are well-used there and in good working condition.
    Vancouver was my first thought. It just makes the most sense.

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    I suggest they come back to Vancouver.

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    I am rooting for Almaty. It is a beautiful city near the high mountains. It will draw tons of tourists from Russia. D10 could compete at home Olympics

    NYT article is biased. "Almaty, Kazakhstan, a city of 1.4 million in a nation with an autocratic government and a dubious human rights record..." Really? Of course, Lviv in a country-bankrupt with a permanent jumble would be a good place.

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    What I think they should do is:

    - have a city bid for every other Olympics, it will help recover the cost.
    - most of the abandoned structures the articles are showing pictures of, are sports that don't have a good usage for after the Olympics like luge. What they should do is have these events that require a unique facility in 1 central location every Olympics and that will alleviate the cost to the host city

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallycairn View Post
    Sorry for the double post but easier this way -- didn't find the exact piece I read but there are plenty out there.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/thank...lkA0RGRDZfMQ--

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...?frame=2833853


    [the above two feature many of the same photos]



    This one has summer and winter venues:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/outd...repair#slide-1
    A friend of my Mum's posted a link the Eurosport version of the story to Facebook this morning, and looking through the photos (particularly of the ski jumping hills), I was nearly in tears.

    I know Bosnia has gone through some very dark times in the past 30 years. But surely something could have been done to keep the facilities in a state where it would not take much work to make them usable if somebody ever wanted to use them.

    Yesterday, I finally got round to watching the programme that the BBC made to mark the 30th anniversary of Torvill and Dean's Gold in the Ice Dance at the Sarajevo Olympics. And, after seeing the state of the ski jumping hills, bobsleigh run and hotel in those photos, I can't help but wonder if the ice rink is in the same state.

    I am hoping that the ice rink is still open and in use by the general public. Let's face it, ski jumping hills and bobsleigh runs are only used by specialist sports people. So, if there is no top level athletes in these sports in the country, then it is no surprise that the facilities close. But ice rinks are different - anybody can use them. So, if there is demand from Joe Bloggevic and his mates down the road, then an ice rink can be turned into a good little business.


    Getting back to the original point, and I just thought I would throw in that bids for the 2022 Commonwealth Games were due to be submitted by 31st March 2014. And, a month before the deadline, no applications had yet been submitted.

    The reason nobody was bidding was because they thought that it would cost too much to hold the Games. And there was a real panic in the British media that this could be the end of the Commonwealth Games.

    In the end, Durban and Edmonton submitted bids.

    Then you start thinking. If most cities think it is going to cost too much to hold the Commonwealth Games, who is going to want to hold the bigger version, the Olympics?! Especially after the amount that Putin spent holding the Winter Games in Sochi.

    You know, that still really winds me up how much was spent on the Sochi Olympics. Especially now that it is having a knock on affect.

    I don't know if you have heard, but one of the main events in the Rally Raid calendar, the Silk Way Rally, has had to be cancelled this year. The reason - the Russian government spent so much on Sochi, that they have cut the funding they are giving the Silk Way.

    As I said to the friend that posted a link to the story on Facebook, why did they insist on holding the WINTER Olympics in a SUMMER resort, and consequently have to spend rediculous amounts of money building everything from scratch?! Why didn't they hold the Games in somewhere like Chaykovsky, a successful winter resort that already has most of the facilities?!

    And why are they now pouring more money into turning the Olympic venue into a Formula 1 circuit, when there is already a perfectly good circuit near Moscow, which is curently being used by other major international Championships (World Superbikes, World Touring Cars, DTM...)?!

    Although the Silk Way Rally is the only one I have heard of (because I am a fan of Rally Raid), I am sure that there are other sports in Russia that are having their funding cut as a result of the Sochi Olympics.

    So, if other countries are looking in and seeing this going on in Russia, of course they are not going to want to bid to hold a future Olympics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    I suggest they come back to Vancouver.
    I just had a thought. People are suggesting that perhaps the Olympics should go back to Vancouver in 2022. Well, if Edmonton does get the 2022 Commonwealth Games, I can't see Canada wanting to hold a Winter Olympics in the same year.

    Just look at Rio de Janeiro. They are holding the Football World Cup next month, and the Summer Olympics in 2016, and everything is a total mess.

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    Its just propaganda when all sorts of long term infrastructure projects are included in the Olympic costs to demonize Russia.

    Are these bidders going to do massive longterm projects such as putting a rail system and highway through a mountain range? Then their costs, direct or indirect, should be nowhere near as high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Oh please. I know there's a lot of "Evil Russia" sentiment on this board but that's just ridiculous. The costs of the Olympics (both Winter and Summer) have been spiralling out of control for years. Look at the disaster Rio is turning into.

    If Russia was able to incorporate infrastructure that will be of benefit to the area for years to come then more power to them - because that's more than what Athens or Beijing could say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr-minus View Post
    Well, I think Putin has nothing to with this, it is just quite common to blame everything on him nowadays

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    To me the whole thing is just very sad. I feel like the world is never on the same page....but every four years (2 really if you consider summer and winter) most all of us have something in common. Not to mention that for many athletes of various sports the Olympics are the biggest and most broadcast competition that they have the chance to be in and the chance to be recognized for their amazing abilities.

    I sincerely hope that they are able to sort out both the summer and winter olympics because I would greatly miss being able to watch some of my favorite athletes (skaters, gymnasts, curlers, swimmers, etc.) get the recognition they deserve on mainstream television and media. And I will miss the solidarity that I feel the games have. (Yes, sometimes there's dodgy judging or less than ideal conditions, but at the end of the day I can appreciate the good and recognize that everything that is good has some bad too. Look for and appreciate the positive bc that's what and why things are done.)

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    Putin's fault? Please. It's Bush's fault.

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    Why did the US not bid on the 2022 Games? It's going to be over 20 years since SLC even if the US gets the Summer Games in 2024.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Why did the US not bid on the 2022 Games? It's going to be over 20 years since SLC even if the US gets the Summer Games in 2024.
    ...Where is the US wanting to host the summer 2024 games?

    EDIT: Nevermind, I looked it up... Some of the cities interested are better than when they bid for the 2016 games......but a few of the locations I just look at and think - "but you'd be oh-so perfect for the winter games...."
    Apparently if the US doesn't get the summer 2024 games, then they currently would like to bid for the 2026 winter games. (It looks like 2022 and 2016 are having the most struggles at this point.) Also fun fact, France currently has interest in the 2024 games because it would be exactly 100 years since they had the summer games...

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    Please, no! No more Olympics in the US. I lived in Chattanooga, Tn (also my hometown) for the Atlanta games, and worked at TVA at the time, noteworthy because the whitewater events were held near Chattanooga on the Ocoee River, whose flow in that area is controlled by TVA dams. Everyone I knew hunkered down and avoided it all as much as possible. I went to some of the leadup equestrian events at Conyers (in north GA), and will never forget exchanging greetings with Aussie turned American eventer Phillip Dutton -- but please no. Olympics are a nightmare all around. Must look to see if there are any Olympic repelling spells I can conjure up, lol.

    PS Best thing I remember about all the hubbub was TVA's actually pretty cool commercial -- anybody see/remember it? Wish it would get posted on youtube. Depicts kayakers in the dry riverbed yelling "Where's the water?" "Ou est l'eau?" etc. in different languages. And the voiceover along the lines of -- athletes will come from the world over for the 96 games, but the water comes from only one source ... TVA. Of course that was a bit silly - the water was from nature. But I still liked the commercial.

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    I'd love to see a Denver / Vail bid. Denver has several large venues already which should help with costs. I think Vail and surrounding resorts would make a great location for the alpine events. The problem is I don't think any American city wants the headaches, scrutiny and debt that will inevitable come with the games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risa View Post
    I'd love to see a Denver / Vail bid. Denver has several large venues already which should help with costs. I think Vail and surrounding resorts would make a great location for the alpine events. The problem is I don't think any American city wants the headaches, scrutiny and debt that will inevitable come with the games.
    Actually from the sources I can find, there are multiple contenders and interested cities in the US for both the 2024 and 2026 games.... But, if the US were to get the summer games, then I don't they'd the host the winter. ...And since it's decently far away from bidding season for both games, I'm sure more places across the world will show interest while others will lose it

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    And Calgary -- the thing is, some of the venues are still in use, and notice some of the comments under those photos hotly stating that fact. So they could still be in use despite their age, at least in some cases. Bobsled/luge tracks could last for many, many decades, if maintained and if there were use for them. But many facilities fell immediately into decay, like those noted from Athens and Torino.
    Canada Olympic Park - the Calgary Olympic site that includes the ski jump - is still heavily used. My sister lives minutes from there, and I've driven by it numerous times and seen plenty of people. I can't vouch for the ski jump being used, mostly because that's a pretty niche sport, but the site itself is definitely used in the winter. It's also a little misleading to photograph an outdoor winter venue in the summertime. A ski jump landing pad is going to look different in the summer than it does with a couple of feet of snow on it.

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