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    That's a relief to hear. I look forward to seeing them!

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    What great news for them!! I'm excited to see what's coming up

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    Excellent news, I'm really excited to see this pair. So what US competitions can we expect to see them at this year? Nationals? Anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    According to Tran himself today, Skate Canada will release him in time for the 2015-16 season.

    Mervin Tran ‏@skate_moivo
    @amyrosewater @SkateCanada has been kind in allowing my release as soon as I'm eligible which will be for the 2015-2016 season. Many thanks
    10:29 AM - 9 Jul 2014
    https://twitter.com/skate_moivo/stat...25099727990784

    ETA, interesting that the fine print can be tricky even for the skaters. His immediately preceding tweets:

    @amyrosewater isu rule 109; I need to have not competed 12 Consecutive months before the July 1st prior to my first competition.

    @amyrosewater unfortunately we misread and thought it was 12 months from the last international.
    Thank you Golden411!

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    I am not too thrilled that skating means shopping for a partner and a nation. Representing a country should be an honor like buying a new pair of socks that you throw out if you don't like the color. But that's just me. I am a bit surprised Canada is so nice since they lost their no. 2 and 3 teams and their top team is rather aged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I am not too thrilled that skating means shopping for a partner and a nation. Representing a country should be an honor like buying a new pair of socks that you throw out if you don't like the color. But that's just me. I am a bit surprised Canada is so nice since they lost their no. 2 and 3 teams and their top team is rather aged.
    Marissa and Mervin would have a much easier time representing Canada. But Marissa wants to skate for the United States, even if it means it's harder to break into the top standings... Mervin's represented both Japan and Canada, and Marissa's only represented the US. It makes sense that she cares more about representing her home country than Mervin does - Marissa won a bronze medal with the US team at the Olympics. Being on the US team probably means a lot to her.

    And who knows? Skate Canada could put it into limbo at the last minute. You just never know with federations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleeting View Post
    .. Mervin's represented both Japan and Canada, and Marissa's only represented the US. It makes sense that she cares more about representing her home country than Mervin does - Marissa won a bronze medal with the US team at the Olympics. Being on the US team probably means a lot to her.
    I am sick and tired of the holier-than-thou pronouncements that Castelli "cares more" about representing her home country. (And I am American.) Your post makes NO sense, IMHO.

    After Tran's partnership with Takahashi ended through no fault of his own, I feel sure that he very much looked forward to the bright side of a new partnership -- meaning the opportunity to skate for his home country of Canada. His pride is palpable in this photo from Aug 2013.

    I like Castelli, but I hope that she realizes how lucky she is that Tran is willing to skate for the U.S.
    Skating for Canada would have meant a lot to Tran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    I am sick and tired of the holier-than-thou pronouncements that Castelli "cares more" about representing her home country. (And I am American.) Your post makes NO sense, IMHO.

    After Tran's partnership with Takahashi ended through no fault of his own, I feel sure that he very much looked forward to the bright side of a new partnership -- meaning the opportunity to skate for his home country of Canada. His pride is palpable in this photo from Aug 2013.

    I like Castelli, but I hope that she realizes how lucky she is that Tran is willing to skate for the U.S.
    Skating for Canada would have meant a lot to Tran.
    I don't think either one is more patriotic or cares more. Obviously for any skater, representing their home country is going to be a special thing.

    Castelli's comments seem to indicate that not representing the US would be a deal breaker. Thats her prerogative just like it was her choice not to continue with Simon and not to skate with LeDuc if that rumor is true. Tran obviously had the opportunity to decline to pair up with her on the condition that he would have to skate for the US and he made the choice that skating with Castelli was worth the trade off of not representing his home country. I don't think there's anything wrong with her insisting on the US and I don't think there's anything wrong with Tran deciding skating with her trumped repping Canada. They both made choices they felt were right for them.

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    It seems to me that Marissa and Mervin strategized and decided it would be easier to take a top spot with the US over Canada with Duhamel and Radford and maybe Moore-Towers and Marinaro having a hold on the top spots in Canada. Seems like things are up for grabs in the US with pairs. But maybe in a year one or more teams in the US will rise to the top. I'm a Zhang/Bartholemey fan myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    I am sick and tired of the holier-than-thou pronouncements that Castelli "cares more" about representing her home country. (And I am American.) Your post makes NO sense, IMHO.

    After Tran's partnership with Takahashi ended through no fault of his own, I feel sure that he very much looked forward to the bright side of a new partnership -- meaning the opportunity to skate for his home country of Canada. His pride is palpable in this photo from Aug 2013.

    I like Castelli, but I hope that she realizes how lucky she is that Tran is willing to skate for the U.S.
    Skating for Canada would have meant a lot to Tran.
    I definitely agree with you! I didn't mean to come across that way... It's just that Marissa has, in her words, made it clear that she only would consider skating for the US. Even when Canada has a pretty weak field with the breakup of MT/M and L/S and considering the ages of D/R.

    I also absolutely agree with you in term's of Mervin's skills - Tran is amazingly gifted and had he continued with Takahashi, they would have been spectacular (even though the JSF is to blame for that). Skating for his country would have meant a lot to him, and I'm sorry if it seemed like I dismissed that idea, because I know it would have.

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    Thank you for the news, Golden411! I hope Skate Canada keeps their word.

    I'm Canadian and have no problem if Tran's decision. If I were an elite athlete, I would try my best to reach the highest levels of the sport, even if that means representing another country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleeting View Post
    I definitely agree with you! I didn't mean to come across that way... It's just that Marissa has, in her words, made it clear that she only would consider skating for the US. Even when Canada has a pretty weak field with the breakup of MT/M and L/S and considering the ages of D/R.

    I also absolutely agree with you in term's of Mervin's skills - Tran is amazingly gifted and had he continued with Takahashi, they would have been spectacular (even though the JSF is to blame for that). Skating for his country would have meant a lot to him, and I'm sorry if it seemed like I dismissed that idea, because I know it would have.
    Thanks for your reply. Glad to know that you did not intend to sound dismissive of the importance of Canada to Tran.

    I do remain unhappy that other posts regarding the Castelli/Tran partnership have placed her upon a pedestal for what seemed to be a my-way-or-the-highway approach to skating for her country. If Tran had been equally rigid, the partnership would not have been viable ... and yet I don't recall any praise for his more flexible attitude.

    Instead, some of the GS posts seemed to be quick to assume -- erroneously, IMO -- that skating for Japan in the past proves that Tran doesn't care whether he skates for Canada or not. I believe that the exact opposite is more likely to be true. I think it would have been a very high priority for him to find a Canadian partner with whom to make a fresh start post-Takahashi -- in order to have clear sailing (skating? ) toward representing his own country in international competition, including the Olympics. If I were Tran, I would have resolved to never let myself get entangled in citizenship issues again. And indeed his first new partner was Purich of Canada. I bet that Tran did quite a bit of soul-searching before agreeing to put aside his desire to skate for Canada in order to accommodate Castelli's desire to skate for the U.S.

    The only quote from Castelli that I have read is from the IceNetwork article:
    Castelli said she never considered representing Canada, telling icenetwork, "I'm American all the way."
    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...stical-hurdles (Jun 10)

    I regret that the IN article did not quote Castelli more extensively. I really hope that she did not intend to sound so self-righteous (indirectly throwing Tran under the bus) and I really hope that she did make comments (for which the reporter did not have room in the article) acknowledging that lucky for her, Tran made a tough choice for the sake of their partnership.

    Perhaps in future interviews, Castelli will have a chance to show respect for Tran's feelings for Canada and appreciation for his invaluable contribution to their partnership by skating for her country. As I said before, I like her, so my eyes and ears will be perked for what she has to say along those lines.

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    I'm sure skaters' feelings about skating for another country cover a broad spectrum. Some might insist on representing their native country, no matter the consequences, while others are more pragmatic. Some skaters may have pragmatism forced upon them because there are no suitable partners for them in their own country.

    I'm sure this was not an easy decision for either Tran or Castelli. I'm a fan of Marissa. Had things gone the other way and she had opted to skate for Canada, I would be sad. But I would much rather see her skate for another country than not get to skate at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humbaba View Post
    I'm sure skaters' feelings about skating for another country cover a broad spectrum. Some might insist on representing their native country, no matter the consequences, while others are more pragmatic. Some skaters may have pragmatism forced upon them because there are no suitable partners for them in their own country.

    I'm sure this was not an easy decision for either Tran or Castelli. I'm a fan of Marissa. Had things gone the other way and she had opted to skate for Canada, I would be sad. But I would much rather see her skate for another country than not get to skate at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humbaba View Post
    I'm sure skaters' feelings about skating for another country cover a broad spectrum. Some might insist on representing their native country, no matter the consequences, while others are more pragmatic. Some skaters may have pragmatism forced upon them because there are no suitable partners for them in their own country.

    I'm sure this was not an easy decision for either Tran or Castelli. I'm a fan of Marissa. Had things gone the other way and she had opted to skate for Canada, I would be sad. But I would much rather see her skate for another country than not get to skate at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scatcat View Post

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