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Thread: 55th ISU Congress: Who voted "For" and "Against" anonymous judging

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    Find a good hacker. Skaters have power and they need to start using it to get changes they might want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    For anonymous judging
    Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bulgaria, Chinese Taipei, Cyprus, DPR Korea, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Malaysia, The Philippines, Poland, Republic of Korea, Singapore, Slovakia, Sweden, Thailand, Uzbekistan

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    That's turn out interestingly.... and 1. What exactly is South Korea's motive for not wanting get rid of anonymous judging after the whole Yuna/Adelina thing? 2. Why are so many smaller foundations against exposed judging and the larger ones in favor of it? (I thought it'd be the other way around.... and what exactly do the smaller European and Asian foundations have against it? Wouldn't it just increase accountability and expose blocs and corrupt judges?) 3. Why isn't the ISU passing this? There's a majority.... (or maybe it requires 2/3 of the foundations?)

    And yes, the KSU is not coming off very favorably....

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblespiral View Post
    That's turn out interestingly.... and 1. What exactly is South Korea's motive for not wanting get rid of anonymous judging after the whole Yuna/Adelina thing? 2. Why are so many smaller foundations against exposed judging and the larger ones in favor of it? (I thought it'd be the other way around.... and what exactly do the smaller European and Asian foundations have against it? Wouldn't it just increase accountability and expose blocs and corrupt judges?) 3. Why isn't the ISU passing this? There's a majority.... (or maybe it requires 2/3 of the foundations?)

    And yes, the KSU is not coming off very favorably....

    I think people continue to speak about blocks but it's not quite like that. Italy can swing their vote according to their own interest. Today they are with Russia, tomorrow they are with USA for example.
    There are no monolithic blocks anymore, and small feds are those who "sell" their vote/marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alba View Post
    I think people continue to speak about blocks but it's not quite like that. Italy can swing their vote according to their own interest. Today they are with Russia, tomorrow they are with USA for example.
    There are no monolithic blocks anymore, and small feds are those who "sell" their vote/marks.
    Okay then.... so most of the smaller foundations just go along with whomever will act in their favor..... and that's why a lot of them are against de-anoning judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblespiral View Post
    Okay then.... so most of the smaller foundations just go along with whomever will act in their favor..... and that's why a lot of them are against de-anoning judging?
    I don't think it was the selling their votes or playing along for a pity favour in this case (might true for some fed though). More about they also have their own agenda regarding their own regional/local/national competitions. It's easier to control the outcome of competition with secret judging.

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    Either way, it's still kind of fishy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    speed skating

    ksu doesn't give a dam* about figure skating.. not even when yuna was still active.. so why do you think they will start caring now??
    lol Who have they got besides Sang-hwa Lee in speed skating? It's not like we've ever seen them 'working' really. I don't expect any care from them, maybe just some common sense? Either they're playing along with other feds or planning on revenge(lol if Korea ever gets to medal before the olympics that is), this is embarrassing.
    What's the point of having good skaters when they are killing the sport? Makes me question the reason of their existence.

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    Sweden... Sigh... Why?

    All I can think of is: Voting in a democracy is secret - ergo secret voting is democratic - we like democracy - ergo we want secret voting.

    Groan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invisiblespiral View Post
    Okay then.... so most of the smaller foundations just go along with whomever will act in their favor..... and that's why a lot of them are against de-anoning judging?
    This and what BusyMom wrote. For example I had no doubt that Italy would vote against it, and not because Cinquanta is italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    I don't think countries like Finland and Sweden are necessarily against anon judging... Two interesting facts: Both of these countries have bid for the 2017 Worlds (ISU will announce the outcome on Sunday). In addition to this, both countries have campaigned strongly for Why not Synchro 2018. The ISU has made some positive comments lately about the possibility to include synchro in Olympics. Also the ISU congress made changes to improve the status of synchro. For example a reference to synchro was now included in the ISU rule 126 (Olympic Winter Games rule) which strongly suggests synchro could later be included in Pyeongchang 2018. Sooo, my point is there could be some trade-off going on...

    Another theory says that Russia would in reality be in favour of anon judging but voted against it in order to not look suspicious, and bribed (with Speedy's kind assistance) the smaller countries to vote in favour of keeping the system as it is. This would also explain the number of Eastern European countries voting in favour of the present rule...

    Thirdly, one explanation for South Korea's voting could be a trade-off too. Right before the ISU congress ISU added some proposals from Korea to be included in the congress agenda as "urgent matters". Korea suggested for example that at the Olympics the host country shall have the right to have a representative in each 4 disciplines. ISU congress approved this.
    Well, following this logic no country is necessarily against anon. judging. They all follow their own interests so they all have their justification/reasons but in the end the result is the same.

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    Lol, Korea, what the heck? "It's not about Yuna"? It totally is. (That's okay, I want to give Yuna gold too, but the hypocrisy is hilarious).

    Over 50%! We're getting there! I won't lose hope.

    Seems like the conventional wisdom--big Feds. want anonymous judging so they can play politics, small Feds. want it gone for a level playing field--doesn't reflect reality. I can only conclude that the big Feds. are confident they have enough talent (or politics) to do without anonymous judging, while smaller Feds... want a leg up? I dunno, it seems counter intuitive. While they can politic too, the bigger Feds. will do it better.

    Conspiracy theory that Russia really wants anonymous judging and bribed ex-Soviet countries: Possible, but not plausible. Wasn't Russia one of the countries that originally brought up a proposals for eliminating anonymous judging? They're taking an active role in this. It's not like other countries backing are them into a corner.

    Sweden ect. and synchro: That sounds plausible. I, for one, wouldn't mind having synchro in the Olympics. But this is quite the selfish deal, haha.

    I think it's ultimately simple: Everyone looks in terms of their own interests. Russia knows anonymous judging will work against them in Pyeongchang, and they have the talent to medal on their own merits. Also, they've been a great figure-skating power for a long time and can probably survive without anonymous judging in the cycles to come. Korea, on the other hand, is planning Koreavengeance and wants to ensure their skaters have a good showing in their home country. At this point, they're understandably not confident that they can make it on talent alone.

    And oh, Canada voted for the motion! I'm surprised but happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    Lol, Korea, what the heck? "It's not about Yuna"? It totally is. (That's okay, I want to give Yuna gold too, but the hypocrisy is hilarious).

    Over 50%! We're getting there! I won't lose hope.

    Seems like the conventional wisdom--big Feds. want anonymous judging so they can play politics, small Feds. want it gone for a level playing field--doesn't reflect reality. I can only conclude that the big Feds. are confident they have enough talent (or politics) to do without anonymous judging, while smaller Feds... want a leg up? I dunno, it seems counter intuitive. While they can politic too, the bigger Feds. will do it better.

    Conspiracy theory that Russia really wants anonymous judging and bribed ex-Soviet countries: Possible, but not plausible. Wasn't Russia one of the countries that originally brought up a proposals for eliminating anonymous judging? They're taking an active role in this. It's not like other countries backing are them into a corner.

    Sweden ect. and synchro: That sounds plausible. I, for one, wouldn't mind having synchro in the Olympics. But this is quite the selfish deal, haha.

    I think it's ultimately simple: Everyone looks in terms of their own interests. Russia knows anonymous judging will work against them in Pyeongchang, and they have the talent to medal on their own merits. Also, they've been a great figure-skating power for a long time and can probably survive without anonymous judging in the cycles to come. Korea, on the other hand, is planning Koreavengeance and wants to ensure their skaters have a good showing in their home country. At this point, they're understandably not confident that they can make it on talent alone.

    And oh, Canada voted for the motion! I'm surprised but happy.
    Maybe something good will come out of this. Some Fed's will shut up their mouth before complaining about anonymous judging.

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