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    Quote Originally Posted by lilahozi View Post
    Good job at extrapolating a subset of crazy fans to be indicative of all Koreans.
    You should probably call out Chalk5 for the same thing.

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    That's the thing. People who are figure skating fans are generally appreciative of all skaters (doesn't mean they like all skaters or agree with all results, but they usually at least respect them as athletes). But there are also a) crazy ubers b) nationalistic sports/Olympics watchers who aren't FS fans (crazy nationalistic Japan-hating Koreans/Chinese, the Sochi "Rossia!!" crowd, ect.).

    We're all human. No group of fans and no Federation is really better than the other. Every country has lovely fans and every country as crazy ultra-nationalists. Sadly, I feel like the latter could take over Pyeongchang and work against Japanese skaters + Adelina on the 1% chance that she shows up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    That's the thing. People who are figure skating fans are generally appreciative of all skaters (doesn't mean they like all skaters or agree with all results, but they usually at least respect them as athletes). But there are also a) crazy ubers b) nationalistic sports/Olympics watchers who aren't FS fans (crazy nationalistic Japan-hating Koreans/Chinese, the Sochi "Rossia!!" crowd, ect.).
    We're all human. No group of fans and no Federation is really better than the other. Every country has lovely fans and every country as crazy ultra-nationalists.
    Totally agree, and even in each Federation, there are plenty kinds of "professional views" which could differ from "members that love figure skating itself" to "crazy nationalistic members".

    I am sure there are coaches and judges from Korean fed who like Mao's style, but dare they go against their federation to give her good scores, if she actually came back and performed well? Having said that, I don't think Mao will come back for 2018, though.

    Same thing could be applied for any other skater from Japan and Russia federations. I mean surely the supportive members of Korea fed would love to give fair scores for the deserving skaters regardless of their nationalities.
    But can they go against the nationalistic side that never want to see Japanese and Russian skaters on the podium? That I can't tell.

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    Ok. I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings but I'm not saying Russians were rude or anything else, but I said people seem to be blatant there. And although you can see it as an insult but I think it's just a cultural thing. It's a perspective of things. Look at all the czars and people living in the harsh cold winters etc., I can agree that that can change people's perspective on things, and Russians are not afraid or timid to show that. That's just how it is in Russia. But, when I'm talking about the people, that is hard to say. Because we can get all bewildered up here about nationalities, but at the end of the day, there are good people and bad people. And with Putin coming in power to their neighbors and the West not liking him, I can understand how the Russians felt during that night. I don't mean to be rude to anyone.

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    @Meioma, I do agree with the South Koreans about Tarasova. There is something about there that I don't like. I don't know if that' just how it is (old styled, tough love), but she really didn't seem to like Yuna, although she respected him, or maybe it was just Orser. There is something about her that I just quite cannot get to like her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalk5 View Post
    @Meioma, I do agree with the South Koreans about Tarasova. There is something about there that I don't like. I don't know if that' just how it is (old styled, tough love), but she really didn't seem to like Yuna, although she respected him, or maybe it was just Orser. There is something about her that I just quite cannot get to like her.
    I have some weird feelings about Tarasova, too. I respect her for her achievements, and she does have some good choreography for her students. But there is something about her that I couldn't like.
    Do you know Yubaba the witch from Spirited Away? Tarasova reminds me of that character.

    Anyways Tarasova doesn't seem to like Orser in particular and Canadians in general. She doesn't like PChan.
    All of Orser' students are surely not liked by her, since they are her students' rivals. Believe me, Tarasova doesn't like Yuna and Yuzuru even just a bit. maybe she just doesn't like Orser' style.

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    O MY GOD. I just looked it up , and you nailed on the head. I feel like she needs to retire and have other people get a chance. She surely has done excellent work, I just hope that her character matches it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    That's the thing. People who are figure skating fans are generally appreciative of all skaters (doesn't mean they like all skaters or agree with all results, but they usually at least respect them as athletes).
    There are many skaters who can give my favorite medal contender a run for her money. To me they can only make her better in the long run and I appreciate those skaters more for it. In turn they just wind up growing on me . I can honestly say I like just about all skaters and have never rooted against one. In fact just the opposite May in fact be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalk5 View Post
    O MY GOD. I just looked it up , and you nailed on the head. I feel like she needs to retire and have other people get a chance. She surely has done excellent work, I just hope that her character matches it up.
    Have you seen this: http://rinkwatchers.tumblr.com/post/...yubaba-so-much
    Epic comparison!
    Tarasova indeed is very good at polishing skaters who were developed by other coaches. But for sure I hope she will retire soon.
    That's why I like Mishin more, because he teaches all his boys from young, give them best jumping technique until they leave him for Tarasova.

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    can't get enough. yeah but that's also what I'm talking about. She seems mean, but oddly loving. She is almost like a scary grandma to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Have you seen this: http://rinkwatchers.tumblr.com/post/...yubaba-so-much
    Epic comparison!
    Tarasova indeed is very good at polishing skaters who were developed by other coaches. But for sure I hope she will retire soon.
    That's why I like Mishin more, because he teaches all his boys from young, give them best jumping technique until they leave him for Tarasova.
    How about the witch from Howl's moving castle? haha

    Anyway, about Pyeongchang.... if Korea doesn't have a serious contender until then, I doubt there will be much interest in figure skating. So I say no favoritisms unless Adelina's going for the gold again or KSU has any other ideas. That's for the ladies single, and for the men, pair, ice dancing...... I don't think anybody in Korea would be desperate for a certain skater to win. I mean, people aside from skating fans barely know which skaters are good let alone the rules. So nothing overly-outrageous will happen IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    That's my point. A skater's rise can be meteoric. Hanyu and Kovtun are two examples of that under this system. Even Brown was winning GP medals without any quad attempts. Nguyen could certainly contend for GP medals over the next few years, and with a bit of luck and good coaching from Orser he could be on the 2018 podium.
    But the whole point of COP is that it tried to move skating out of a jumping bean contest by quantifying ALL technical aspects. It's now a point game. It doesn't matter HOW you gain the points. Jason and his coaches played the game smartly by accumulating as much points as possible from what he was able to do (and do well).

    Quality over quantity. I think it's one reason why Jason made such a huge splash last season. Yes, pushing the technical envelope can be exciting, but it can also lead to splatfests (Sochi Olympics, anyone?). There are a good many times when I would rather see a slightly less demanding but clean technical program than one or two huge tricks wrapped up in a mediocre program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    But the whole point of COP is that it tried to move skating out of a jumping bean contest by quantifying ALL technical aspects. It's now a point game. It doesn't matter HOW you gain the points. Jason and his coaches played the game smartly by accumulating as much points as possible from what he was able to do (and do well).

    Quality over quantity. I think it's one reason why Jason made such a huge splash last season. Yes, pushing the technical envelope can be exciting, but it can also lead to splatfests (Sochi Olympics, anyone?). There are a good many times when I would rather see a slightly less demanding but clean technical program than one or two huge tricks wrapped up in a mediocre program.
    The best part about COP is ,when scored correctly, any skater can identify where they score well and where they don't. Then it's just a simple choice of how to attack the next event or season. Build on strengths and or work on weaknesses. Before it was not so apparent. Gkelly made a great point that once we evolve into judges that never knew 6.0 is when the whole system will begin to make the most sensse and be more effective. We still are maybe in the transition years.

    I agree about seeing a more crisp and simple program skated cleanly with less emphasis on jam packing a program. Not sure about the program being mediocre because I don't think that is necassary but I'd love to see a bonus for holding out a jump or spiral like move exceptionally well. Oh that deep curved edge.

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    Honestly I can't get this complaining about splatfest. It was always part of the game. No one was always clean. Even Yagudin and Plushenko had their moments of bombing Skaters are pushing technical elements because they can do that. Someone ho is doing more simply program is doing more simplier program because he can't do what other guys can. It is what competition is all about. Even the simpliest program can turn to a bombing if it is not your night

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    You should probably call out Chalk5 for the same thing.
    Whoops, didn't catch that. Don't necessarily agree that Koreans are all classy and Russians aren't. Russians are much more direct in their opinions though.

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