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    "Women" and "Girls" for season 2014-15

    It will be interesting see the different styles for female skaters this season.. with Mao, Caro, Akiko, Yuna and others retiring, this season will be "athletic and technical" .. a few of ladies still compete and they will try beat to younger and stronger ladies

    WOMEN: Valentina Marchei, Ashley Wagner, Kiira Korpi, Viktoria Helgesson, Adelina Sotnikova (her Carmen was amazing and sexy), Kaetlyn Osmond, Samantha Cesario

    ATHLETIC GIRLS: Julia Lip, Elena Radionova, Gracie Gold, Polina Edmunds, So Youn Park, Zijun Li, Gabrielle Daleman, Courtney Hicks

    LADIES WITH "in the middle" STYLE: Mae Berenice Meite, Joshi Helgegsson, Alena Leonova, Kanako Murakami, Haruka Imai

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    Mirai: woman, Ashley Cain: girls and Anna Pogorilaya: in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuisRollerArg View Post
    It will be interesting see the different styles for female skaters this season.. with Mao, Caro, Akiko, Yuna and others retiring, this season will be "athletic and technical" .. a few of ladies still compete and they will try beat to younger and stronger ladies

    WOMEN: Valentina Marchei, Ashley Wagner, Kiira Korpi, Viktoria Helgesson, Adelina Sotnikova (her Carmen was amazing and sexy), Kaetlyn Osmond, Samantha Cesario

    ATHLETIC GIRLS: Julia Lip, Elena Radionova, Gracie Gold, Polina Edmunds, So Youn Park, Zijun Li, Gabrielle Daleman, Courtney Hicks

    LADIES WITH "in the middle" STYLE: Mae Berenice Meite, Joshi Helgegsson, Alena Leonova, Kanako Murakami, Haruka Imai
    This list oversimplifies things. Lip and Gracie don't belong in the same category with the likes of Daleman and Hicks. And Meite may not be a young girl but she is the definition of an athletic skater who brings nothing else to the table. Marchei, Wagner, Osmond and Sotnikova are also very different skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flutzy13 View Post
    This list oversimplifies things. Lip and Gracie don't belong in the same category with the likes of Daleman and Hicks. And Meite may not be a young girl but she is the definition of an athletic skater who brings nothing else to the table. Marchei, Wagner, Osmond and Sotnikova are also very different skaters.
    How do you figure that? Gracie is a more athletic skater like Hicks or Daleman. Lip i agree isn't as athletic as some of those other girls mentioned. In fact her jumps are rather tiny not explosive.

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    The word girl originally meant "young person of either sex" in English; it was only around the beginning of the 16th century that it came to mean specifically a female child.


    So using the original English meaning, which of the males qualify as "girls".


    How likely is it that someone would start a thread like this for males, dividing them into MEN AND BOYS ????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    The word girl originally meant "young person of either sex" in English; it was only around the beginning of the 16th century that it came to mean specifically a female child.


    So using the original English meaning, which of the males qualify as "girls".


    How likely is it that someone would start a thread like this for males, dividing them into MEN AND BOYS ????????
    Thank you!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatedreamer View Post
    Thank you!!!!
    Thank you icey and skatedreamer for saying what I was feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    The word girl originally meant "young person of either sex" in English; it was only around the beginning of the 16th century that it came to mean specifically a female child.


    So using the original English meaning, which of the males qualify as "girls".


    How likely is it that someone would start a thread like this for males, dividing them into MEN AND BOYS ????????
    I'm sure we could do that too.

    Skaters like Hanyu, Nguyen, Kovtun, Yan, Reynolds, Brown I'd consider "boys" and skaters like Abbott, Chan, Plushenko, Joubert, Takahashi I would consider "men" and then you have your sort of in betweens like Kozuka and Fernandez.

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    ^Start the thread then.

    (My point earlier was: It's usually considered "offensive" to call someone a boy rather than a man, so such a thread would be the ultimate flame bait. While many people aren't so happy with the women/girls division, it doesn't create the same visceral reaction as "Ooo, let's separate the boys from the men!" does. I think it does speak to how much maturity as valued for males vs. females).

    But by all means, make the thread! If we're going to create these divisions, might as well as make it equal-opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    How do you figure that? Gracie is a more athletic skater like Hicks or Daleman. Lip i agree isn't as athletic as some of those other girls mentioned. In fact her jumps are rather tiny not explosive.
    the sole definition of athletic is not explosive jumps. Lip has the spins above everyone and endurance, pretty sure she skated more competitive skates than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    the sole definition of athletic is not explosive jumps.
    If that we're the case then this Russian lady would be the greatest female athelete alive!


    http://youtu.be/8_RfK2rp2To

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    Quote Originally Posted by flutzy13 View Post
    This list oversimplifies things. Lip and Gracie don't belong in the same category with the likes of Daleman and Hicks. And Meite may not be a young girl but she is the definition of an athletic skater who brings nothing else to the table. Marchei, Wagner, Osmond and Sotnikova are also very different skaters.

    Mae is so athletic, right, but she skates with sex appeal and sexy faces!! look her final expression in her Prince SP.. she definitively "is in the middle", athletic and stylish!

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    How likely is it that someone would start a thread like this for males, dividing them into MEN AND BOYS ????????
    Oh boy, now that'll be a volcano of a thread.

    I'm actually okay with the concept of this thread (using the terms "woman" and "girls" in terms of style, rather than just age), but if you put it like that... well, just goes to show how different values are between the genders.

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    I think this label is mostly used by some in the skating community to hatchet job skaters they view as a threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    Oh boy, now that'll be a volcano of a thread.

    I'm actually okay with the concept of this thread (using the terms "woman" and "girls" in terms of style, rather than just age), but if you put it like that... well, just goes to show how different values are between the genders.
    I think that in skating, there actually a valid difference between genders to consider because very young boys don't generally compete as seniors, whereas significantly younger girls (age fifteen or so) do. With males there's no special advantage for jumps in having an immature body: the strength that comes with age benefits them without any trade-offs. With female skaters, on the other hand, some young, physically immature girls have an advantage in terms of jumping ability, so if they can, they compete as early as possible.

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