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Thread: "Women" and "Girls" for season 2014-15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrufflet View Post
    Thank you icey and skatedreamer for saying what I was feeling.
    You're ever so welcome, but IMO icey deserves all of the credit.

    Also, special thanks to icey for the history of "girl." I had no idea that it was originally a unisex word! Amazing what you can learn here on GS...

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    This thread confuses me. Among other things I don't think stylish/athletic must be contradictions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    The word girl originally meant "young person of either sex" in English; it was only around the beginning of the 16th century that it came to mean specifically a female child.


    So using the original English meaning, which of the males qualify as "girls".


    How likely is it that someone would start a thread like this for males, dividing them into MEN AND BOYS ????????
    Really Good post and thanks for the education...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    It's too bad that women vs. girls carries with it a distinction of quality. I consider Yulia a "girl" (and she uses this to her full advantage in both SP/LP), but I'm rooting for her with all my heart. Not everyone needs to be one kind of woman.
    This is how I feel too. I know "girlish" women and some very grown up young girls. Also "manly" women, "boyish" girls, "girly" boys etc etc... I would love if more female skaters challenged the expected picture of a lady figure skater.... Showing their personality

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuisRollerArg View Post
    Mae is so athletic, right, but she skates with sex appeal and sexy faces!! look her final expression in her Prince SP.. she definitively "is in the middle", athletic and stylish!
    Mae is pure style. While other skaters are concerned with being princesses, she's giving straight up sass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    The word girl originally meant "young person of either sex" in English; it was only around the beginning of the 16th century that it came to mean specifically a female child.


    So using the original English meaning, which of the males qualify as "girls".


    How likely is it that someone would start a thread like this for males, dividing them into MEN AND BOYS ????????
    I'm sure we could do that too.

    Skaters like Hanyu, Nguyen, Kovtun, Yan, Reynolds, Brown I'd consider "boys" and skaters like Abbott, Chan, Plushenko, Joubert, Takahashi I would consider "men" and then you have your sort of in betweens like Kozuka and Fernandez.

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    ^Start the thread then.

    (My point earlier was: It's usually considered "offensive" to call someone a boy rather than a man, so such a thread would be the ultimate flame bait. While many people aren't so happy with the women/girls division, it doesn't create the same visceral reaction as "Ooo, let's separate the boys from the men!" does. I think it does speak to how much maturity as valued for males vs. females).

    But by all means, make the thread! If we're going to create these divisions, might as well as make it equal-opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    Oh boy, now that'll be a volcano of a thread.

    I'm actually okay with the concept of this thread (using the terms "woman" and "girls" in terms of style, rather than just age), but if you put it like that... well, just goes to show how different values are between the genders.
    I think that in skating, there actually a valid difference between genders to consider because very young boys don't generally compete as seniors, whereas significantly younger girls (age fifteen or so) do. With males there's no special advantage for jumps in having an immature body: the strength that comes with age benefits them without any trade-offs. With female skaters, on the other hand, some young, physically immature girls have an advantage in terms of jumping ability, so if they can, they compete as early as possible.

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    ^Oh, I totally agree. Just saying, a thread about "Boys and Men of Figure Skating" would probably get different--and more heated--reactions.

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    The point is, it's not really worth a discussion, because it's going to come down to age.

    I don't think it should be treated as girls are inferior to women and boys are inferior to men. You got to play to your strengths. And sometimes you're constrained by age - Radionova and Nguyen obviously won't be able to come across as a woman (no matter how many hooker outfits they put Radionova in) or man.

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    And most of the "girls" will transform into women, gradually or not so gradually. Some may retire before they get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    And most of the "girls" will transform into women
    Yep. Same as Mao, Carolina etc. I remember a very awkward Carolina when she was young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    ^Start the thread then.

    (My point earlier was: It's usually considered "offensive" to call someone a boy rather than a man, so such a thread would be the ultimate flame bait. While many people aren't so happy with the women/girls division, it doesn't create the same visceral reaction as "Ooo, let's separate the boys from the men!" does. I think it does speak to how much maturity as valued for males vs. females).

    But by all means, make the thread! If we're going to create these divisions, might as well as make it equal-opportunity.
    Haha, I do remember Maria Butryskaya saying something to the effect of "I don't skate like little girl! I'm strong, mature woooman!"

    I'm not creating the guy thread either, but it's interesting -- we cut the guys slack for skating like boys when they're teenagers (and they're technically less ambitious than senior men), but you constantly hear disparaging comments about how female jumping beans (who are technically more ambitious than senior ladies) lack refinement and maturity in their skating. Ridiculous double standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I'm not creating the guy thread either, but it's interesting -- we cut the guys slack for skating like boys when they're teenagers (and they're technically less ambitious than senior men), but you constantly hear disparaging comments about how female jumping beans (who are technically more ambitious than senior ladies) lack refinement in their skating. Ridiculous double standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Haha, I do remember Maria Butryskaya saying something to the effect of "I don't skate like little girl! I'm strong, mature woooman!"

    I'm not creating the guy thread either, but it's interesting -- we cut the guys slack for skating like boys when they're teenagers (and they're technically less ambitious than senior men), but you constantly hear disparaging comments about how female jumping beans (who are technically more ambitious than senior ladies) lack refinement and maturity in their skating. Ridiculous double standard.
    The female jumping beans also draw lots of "nyah, nyah" comments as their bodies mature and they're forced to re-learn their technique, which sometimes compromises their consistency. Double standard again.

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    But female jumping beans can win championships, while boys (usually) can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    But female jumping beans can win championships, while boys (usually) can't.
    That's why some people likes so much to underline that "women" and "girl" thing.

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