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    We can't assume a growth spurt is necessarily a bad thing for every skater. It hurt a lot of competitors in the past (and it has been detrimental for quite a few more recently, e.g. Liza T), but wouldn't a more developed body also be result in greater strength, more speed, more powerful jumps once the competitor has fully developed?

    I realize this will be on a case-by-case basis, of course, and we can't predict what happens wholesale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    We can't assume a growth spurt is necessarily a bad thing for every skater. It hurt a lot of competitors in the past (and it has been detrimental for quite a few more recently, e.g. Liza T), but wouldn't a more developed body also be result in greater strength, more speed, more powerful jumps once the competitor has fully developed?

    I realize this will be on a case-by-case basis, of course, and we can't predict what happens wholesale.
    Yup, it is case by case, but with a growth spurt comes the opportunity for a stronger frame and thus easier to generate speed and execute bigger elements (even if it's harder to be flexibility).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Are you going to send the Kremlin after me? Ut oh, looks like Putin himself has descended into the figure skating forums. Mao was not consistent under CoP this past season because of her white whale/3A. Point is under the CoP system, Gracie is part of a new generation ready to milk it with new jump combos, and she's getting more consistent---where as Mao was fading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YLFan View Post
    So what is Gold's excuse for not getting the job done as an 18 year old developed woman.
    Well, she certainly got the job done at the Olympics where she placed higher than Lipnitskaia in the individual event.

    BTW, what's Julia's excuse for failing to win Russian Nationals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Yup, it is case by case, but with a growth spurt comes the opportunity for a stronger frame and thus easier to generate speed and execute bigger elements (even if it's harder to be flexibility).
    I don't think an additional growth spurt would hurt, say, Yulia. I think she has the potential for higher, more powerful jumps. What I'm curious is if it would negatively affect her trademark flexibility. And as we saw, Adelina's growth spurt in 2011 certainly didn't hurt her this past season, and her jumps improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    I don't think an additional growth spurt would hurt, say, Yulia. I think she has the potential for higher, more powerful jumps. What I'm curious is if it would negatively affect her trademark flexibility. And as we saw, Adelina's growth spurt in 2011 certainly didn't hurt her this past season, and her jumps improved.
    I'm not so sure. She "whips" around jumps and doesn't spring like other skaters do. Adelina's technique is *jumping* her jumps so a growth spurt was fine. For Julia however, she might have to revise her technique, especially for jumps like her axel and salchow and loop which she can't vault off a toe pick and has to rely more on actual leg strength and technique. It's no surprise that Julia's mistakes have often been on her salchow and loop, and that her axel doesn't get much height. Maybe a growth spurt might provide her legs some more strength. Although I would imagine it would compromise her flexibility to some extent. With a growth spurt, she might be like Zhang, can still do a pearl, but with not as much ease/speed as before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    I don't think an additional growth spurt would hurt, say, Yulia.
    I think most people who are pulling the puberty card, are talking more about her growing out vs. up; getting female curves and that affecting center of gravity, jump height, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    What I'm curious is if it would negatively affect her trademark flexibility.
    Sasha Cohen didn't lose her flexibility as she got older (during her competitive days). Some commentator said during 1 of her performances that she stretches like 45 minutes a day... if that's true and she maintains that amount of stretching, it's not likely she loses her flexibility

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    And as we saw, Adelina's growth spurt in 2011 certainly didn't hurt her this past season, and her jumps improved.
    Julia and Elena are in a great spot (IMO) to go through puberty and develop female curves and potentially develop some issues right now, because they are 4 years away from the Olympics. They have time to work out those issues before it's an Olympic season, unlike Elizaveta Tuk. who got it during an Olympic year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Well, she certainly got the job done at the Olympics where she placed higher than Lipnitskaia in the individual event.

    BTW, what's Julia's excuse for failing to win Russian Nationals?
    No excuses needed for her Nationals skate. Any 15 yr old who can skate in one of the most contested events in ladies FS, at least in terms of Nationals, and only have a minor step out in the SP has a lot to be proud of. Gracie on the other hand who you seem to be comparing her to only beat lip in an event with inflated scores and Yulia falling twice. Gracie still has never skated clean at a big event and won or been on the podium higher than her. I mean if Gracie can't even beat Mao (!) how can she beat Lip? (Obvious snarcasm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    I think most people who are pulling the puberty card, are talking more about her growing out vs. up; getting female curves and that affecting center of gravity, jump height, etc.



    Sasha Cohen didn't lose her flexibility as she got older (during her competitive days). Some commentator said during 1 of her performances that she stretches like 45 minutes a day... if that's true and she maintains that amount of stretching, it's not likely she loses her flexibility



    Julia and Elena are in a great spot (IMO) to go through puberty and develop female curves and potentially develop some issues right now, because they are 4 years away from the Olympics. They have time to work out those issues before it's an Olympic season, unlike Elizaveta Tuk. who got it during an Olympic year.
    All good points Amei! And yes, re: flexibility I thought of Sasha, too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    Sasha Cohen didn't lose her flexibility as she got older (during her competitive days). Some commentator said during 1 of her performances that she stretches like 45 minutes a day... if that's true and she maintains that amount of stretching, it's not likely she loses her flexibility
    Jason Brown comes to mind also. He stated that he stretcher two hours a day! And Jason is quite flexible despite being past puberty (as far as I'm concerned). So perhaps Julia will be more of a Sasha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    The old, fading Mao Asada just won Worlds despite being hit with a gazillion bogus tech calls. Considering how Gracie did there, it's a bit hypocritical to call Mao "inconsistent." (I completely agree that Mao is inconsistent, but that's no reason to put her on the same level as Gracie Gold. I mean, it would be like saying Chan is inconsistent and therefore his comeback will go as well as Jeremy Abbott's).
    Mao is 4 years older than Gracie. That's the bottom line. Her trajectory is down, where as Gracie's is up. Also it might help you to get a sense of irony. I was mocking your umbridge. Calling the propensity of young Russian skaters 'brats' is hardly offensive. Its a commentary on the state of skating. So please save the PC nonsense for your livejournal or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Mao is 4 years older than Gracie. That's the bottom line.
    Mao is 23, if she continues to skate for another 4 years to the Olympics she'll be 27, the same age as Carolina Kostner, the Olympic Bronze medalist.

    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Calling the propensity of young Russian skaters 'brats' is hardly offensive. Its a commentary on the state of skating.
    Considering that the definition of brat is: "a child, especially an annoying, spoiled, or impolite child" (from dictionary.com), it is offensive.

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    Mao is 4 years older than Gracie. That's the bottom line. Her trajectory is down, where as Gracie's is up.
    Both Adelina and Yulia are younger than Gracie. Makes no sense to write them off and prop Gracie up, either.

    Also it might help you to get a sense of irony. I was mocking your umbridge. Calling the propensity of young Russian skaters 'brats' is hardly offensive. Its a commentary on the state of skating.
    Insulting people for no reason isn't irony. Nor is it very construction commentary on the state of skating.

    So please save the PC nonsense for your livejournal or whatever.
    Sorry to disappoint you. I don't have Livejournal. And you're right, I'm being too PC, saying stuff like "I'd appreciate it..." Should've made some Putin comparisons and mocked you with "Takes one to know one," huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    Mao is 23, if she continues to skate for another 4 years to the Olympics she'll be 27, the same age as Carolina Kostner, the Olympic Bronze medalist.



    Considering that the definition of brat is: "a child, especially an annoying, spoiled, or impolite child" (from dictionary.com), it is offensive.
    Maybe you can start a campaign for outraged children of the world. You can put a stop to this anti-minor hate speech! Also, yes Julia is 15. I believe the point established here is that 18 is a sweet spot. It puts the skater at their physical peak, while still being healthy enough to excel further. Everyone knows that by mid 20s female skaters become much more injury prone, and don't have the same stamina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Maybe you can start a campaign for outraged children of the world. You can put a stop to this anti-minor hate speech! Also, yes Julia is 15. I believe the point established here is that 18 is a sweet spot. It puts the skater at their physical peak, while still being healthy enough to excel further. Everyone knows that by mid 20s female skaters become much more injury prone, and don't have the same stamina.
    2018 Olympics, Julia 19 and Gracie 22, by your logic the most promising skater is Julia and skaters her age, not an already 18 year old Gracie.

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