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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Maybe you can start a campaign for outraged children of the world. You can put a stop to this anti-minor hate speech! Also, yes Julia is 15. I believe the point established here is that 18 is a sweet spot. It puts the skater at their physical peak, while still being healthy enough to excel further. Everyone knows that by mid 20s female skaters become much more injury prone, and don't have the same stamina.
    If 18 is the sweet spot then writing Yulia off at 15 is even more funny and not to mention ironic She and Elena will be 19 and 18 respectively going into the next Olympics. SWEET!!

    In all seriousness I wish all ladies the best of luck and I see no reason to write anyone off at this point. Next season will see a more even playing field amongst the ladies which will make for

    What's with all the H8in anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    2018 Olympics, Julia 19 and Gracie 22, by your logic the most promising skater is Julia and skaters her age, not an already 18 year old Gracie.
    Lol I didn't even see your post and I said the same thing. "Great minds...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    Considering that the definition of brat is: "a child, especially an annoying, spoiled, or impolite child" (from dictionary.com), it is offensive.
    This X 2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Maybe you can start a campaign for outraged children of the world. You can put a stop to this anti-minor hate speech!
    There is no need to start a campaign. If you have a working cell left in your brain you should stop (don't even start) hate speeches and offensive terms towards any skater. Whether this skater is a minor or an adult, male or female, it doesn't matter at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    2018 Olympics, Julia 19 and Gracie 22, by your logic the most promising skater is Julia and skaters her age, not an already 18 year old Gracie.
    No, if Julia can still skate at 18, she will not be the best skater ever, she will then become promising, because she will have her fully matured adult body. Gracie has four years to train into her best skating form. Julia has a bumpy road in terms of growing hips etc. Really, this is just common knowledge. No need for you to be intellectually dishonest because I offended your devotion to a child athlete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alba View Post
    There is no need to start a campaign. If you have a working cell left in your brain you should stop (don't even start) hate speeches and offensive terms towards any skater. Whether this skater is a minor or an adult, male or female, it doesn't matter at all.
    lol No I'll keep calling them brats, and when no one but delusional pathetic ingrates are offended, you can start your political campaign 4tehchilrenz! See I just came up with your slogan. You being offended because you are invested in a 15 year old girl, does not make calling 15 year olds brats offensive. It makes you a pathetic human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    Gracie has better speed and flow than Adelina, and she has tighter rotation. Despite the wonky air position, her technique is overall superior. Adelina's jumps are purely based on power. She doesn't have as much control, which is why she can't do a Lz properly.
    All of your statements are incorrect. Sotnikova has far superior skating skills, speed, flow and jump quality.

    Which skaters' jumps garner more positive GOE when well executed? Adelina, by far. Her jumps, minus the lutz, are all excellent. Gracie does not have quality jumps; she just has difficult jumps (that she often fails to execute, hence her poor competitive record.) Gracie has stiff landings, no flow out of jumps, poor height, etc. Her jumps are not good and have been deteriorating since she started training with Carroll.

    You overestimate Gold's jumping technique. Her double axel and triple flip are awful jumps, meaning she has horrible technique on 2/6 of her main jumps that she performs. And she needs much tighter rotation than Sotnikova because she can't generate the same power Sotnikova does. Sotnikova's jumps have like twice the height of Gold's, so she would overrotate jumps if she had tighter air position. They are different style jumpers. Sotnikova is a power jumper in the mold of Slutskaya. Gold is more like Sasha Cohen, someone with tiny jumps that relies on quick rotation. I guess it's a matter of preference, but I vastly prefer Sotnikova's style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    lol No I'll keep calling them brats, and when no one but delusional pathetic ingrates are offended, you can start your political campaign 4tehchilrenz! See I just came up with your slogan. You being offended because you are invested in a 15 year old girl, does not make calling 15 year olds brats offensive. It makes you a pathetic human being.
    No you won't.
    I can take ridiculing and insulting my fav skaters, calling names even, but I won't let you touch ppl like Alba, who is one of the most laid-back, polite and respected posters here.

    You've been reported and if you survive, you better slow down or I'm coming after you.

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    Theres nothing different about Yulias body now compared to last season. So its a nonsensical hypothesis to begin with. By the time she puts on more weight she will be retired. 2018 Olympics will likely her last event before retiring.

    While Gold will be hanging on into her 20's like Wagner hoping 'this is the year'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YLFan View Post
    Theres nothing different about Yulias body now compared to last season.
    But that's exactly the point.

    Girls grow and change during puberty. They turn from the straight up-and-down body of a child to the curvy body of a woman. Yulia hasn't turned into a woman yet. Her jumps are questionable to begin with; how will they go when everything goes out of whack?

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    She grew a lot from last year and had one of the best senior seasons ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YLFan View Post
    She grew a lot from last year and had one of the best senior seasons ever.
    Sorry, I thought you just said there was no difference?

    She grew - up. She has yet to develop. A lot of girls go up before they go out.

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    From 14-15 she had a growth spurt.

    There is nothing to suggest her current body is any different from last season.

    You are now hoping for some sort of post 16 years old growth spurt for a naturally very petite girl. Its just negative wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YLFan View Post
    Theres nothing different about Yulias body now compared to last season. So its a nonsensical hypothesis to begin with. By the time she puts on more weight she will be retired. 2018 Olympics will likely her last event before retiring.

    While Gold will be hanging on into her 20's like Wagner hoping 'this is the year'.
    Julia doesn't look as though she'll gain a lot of curves which is a plus for her style of technique. Like I said, no one can know, but I'm thinking she'll mature similarly to the way Sasha Cohen did around 17 years old.

    Sasha at 15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-loMk4Zrko
    Sasha at 17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WRxKfgAsI

    By 17, it was clear she'd grown but her body hadn't changed that much. She was bigger and heavier but not in a way that was detrimental to her skating. Sasha looked more mature and left an even more elegant impression on the ice; she looked like a young woman instead of a girl.

    I think it's foolish to think Julia will not grow anymore; she's only 15. It's not necessarily a bad thing though. I have to agree that her technique on some of her jumps is a little whippy which means she may have to adjust it, BUT I don't feel as though Julia is "done" or that whatever body changes she experiences will knock her off of the top. She's a fighter and one of the most competitive skaters in this newer generation which means she'll work hard to adjust and maintain her positioning. Like with all of the girls going through puberty, we'll just have to wait.

    As for her flexibility, as long as she continues to stretch I don't see her losing it. Caroline Zhang lost her Pearl for the most part, but Mirai Nagasu has lost no flexibility in her spins...only a bit of speed. When you're bigger, you can't rotate as fast which means Julia may lose a little speed, but considering she's pretty much a blur now I don't think losing a few RPMs will hurt her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    All of your statements are incorrect. Sotnikova has far superior skating skills, speed, flow and jump quality.

    Which skaters' jumps garner more positive GOE when well executed? Adelina, by far. Her jumps, minus the lutz, are all excellent. Gracie does not have quality jumps; she just has difficult jumps (that she often fails to execute, hence her poor competitive record.) Gracie has stiff landings, no flow out of jumps, poor height, etc. Her jumps are not good and have been deteriorating since she started training with Carroll.
    This is incorrect to say her "jumps are not good". Gold has technique issues with her lip and issues with her double axel, but she gets a lot more height on jumps than other skaters. Her 3Z+3T in particular is easily better than any skater out there (other than maybe Kim). Look at 6:12... that's a textbook jump, better than any 3-3 Lipnitskaia or Sotnikova has ever executed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mi8zMhuxSo

    Sotnikova has some stiff landings herself.. I mean, look at her 3F, which has little flow on the exit.

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