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    I'm not sure of the reason but Gracie seemed to be landing more stiff as the season progressed and began crawling out of her jumps. I hope it's not a sign of anything and as suggested earlier she can losen the reigns on some of the old power jumps she did. During the WC and Olympics there was definite chatter around GS about her jumps looking weird and especially during the event in the ladies thread. I think it's possible she is just skating a bit too guarded and the result is inconsistency unfortunately.

    @CSG Did you lose a bet to Skyfly or something? I mean you've always been supportive toward Gracie but even you have sided with Adelina being a better jumper than Gracie in previous posts if my memory serves me correctly.

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    Time will tell which of these skaters continue to improve or maintain their current skills and succeed competitively, and which lose skills to natural body changes, injuries, etc. All we can do in this thread is guess, and there may be no way to prove those guesses right or wrong if other factors also affect these skaters' career trajectories.

    I expect that 4 years from now there will be top skaters in their 20s, in their late teens, and in their mid-teens who are now juniors or novices and haven't yet laid claim to future top results.

    Personally, I'm looking forward to watching all the current skaters who are not retiring continue to compete and hope they all develop more mature presentation along with maintaining or improving athletic skills, competing against each other over the coming years, with some medals at various events for all the good ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    @CSG Did you lose a bet to Skyfly or something? I mean you've always been supportive toward Gracie but even you have sided with Adelina being a better jumper than Gracie in previous posts if my memory serves me correctly.
    I nearly choked on my food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    I'm not sure of the reason but Gracie seemed to be landing more stiff as the season progressed and began crawling out of her jumps. I hope it's not a sign of anything and as suggested earlier she can losen the reigns on some of the old power jumps she did. During the WC and Olympics there was definite chatter around GS about her jumps looking weird and especially during the event in the ladies thread. I think it's possible she is just skating a bit too guarded and the result is inconsistency unfortunately.

    @CSG Did you lose a bet to Skyfly or something? I mean you've always been supportive toward Gracie but even you have sided with Adelina being a better jumper than Gracie in previous posts if my memory serves me correctly.
    Haha... I'm just saying that it's incorrect to say Gold's jumps are "not good" or have "poor height". I don't think I've ever said Adelina is the superior jumper... although arguably, she is at this point... she does have more transitions, and much better technique on her axel. They both have edge issues (one flutzes, one lips), and both don't always get flow out of their jumps. Sotnikova is starting to stay on her feet whereas Gold had at least one major error in her FS throughout the season (except team FS in Sochi). However, Gold's 3-3 is superior to Sotnikova's (which tends to be UR).

    I'm supportive towards both Sotnikova and Gracie, and hope both solve their consistency/technical issues next season and make the ladies field that much more exciting.

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    I used to think that Gracie's jumps were massive but ever since she hooked up with Frank, the only jumps she really wows me on is her lutz.

    I agree with Sam when it comes to Gracie's landings. She used to have more flow in her landings, though she'd fall a bit more frequently. Now, for the most part, she's staying upright but she lands kinda heavy and very tight with little flow...I guess that's her way of coping with the nerves. It's much more preferable to splatting but it doesn't leave a great impression for the overall program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I used to think that Gracie's jumps were massive but ever since she hooked up with Frank, the only jumps she really wows me on is her lutz.

    I agree with Sam when it comes to Gracie's landings. She used to have more flow in her landings, though she'd fall a bit more frequently. Now, for the most part, she's staying upright but she lands kinda heavy and very tight with little flow...I guess that's her way of coping with the nerves. It's much more preferable to splatting but it doesn't leave a great impression for the overall program.
    It might be nerves, or it might be her body still going through changes. She needs to develop better spring in her legs, particularly for jumps like her loop and certainly for her axel.

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    Soyoun Park's jumps are the only ones out of the current ladies' that I find impressive all-around. She has decent speed going in, great rotations and body positioning in air, and good landings and flow-out. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone else in next season's ladies field that has such well-rounded jumps. Most of the ladies are strong in some aspects and weak in others (ex: big, explosive jumps, but unattractive launches and landings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8in View Post
    lol No I'll keep calling them brats, and when no one but delusional pathetic ingrates are offended, you can start your political campaign 4tehchilrenz! See I just came up with your slogan. You being offended because you are invested in a 15 year old girl, does not make calling 15 year olds brats offensive. It makes you a pathetic human being.
    If taking offense at "brats" as a general description of the young Russian women skaters makes me a delusional pathetic ingrate, then that's exactly what I am. And proud of it!

    Since you're such an expert at what makes someone a brat and/or pathetic, allow me to remind you that it takes one to know one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilahozi View Post
    Soyoun Park's jumps are the only ones out of the current ladies' that I find impressive all-around. She has decent speed going in, great rotations and body positioning in air, and good landings and flow-out. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone else in next season's ladies field that has such well-rounded jumps. Most of the ladies are strong in some aspects and weak in others (ex: big, explosive jumps, but unattractive launches and landings).
    I guess I can't argue against that too much. So-Youn does have lovely jumps, good speed, flow and nice landings as well. The only thing you can hold against her is the difficulty of some of the jumps as well as the transitions BUT I truly believe So-Youn is every bit as good if not better than a lot of the top ladies competing. Her style and presentation is absolutely beautiful (very Yu-Na circa 2007-08 only with much better lines) and she's a lovely performer as well. She just needs to up her content and start hitting consistently to put herself on the map.

    I love her though. Gorgeous skater...

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    ^I heard she's adding a triple-triple to her LP (she did it in SP this year), so the difficulty level of her programs will go up. It remains to be seen if she'll remain consistent in competitions, and if she'll build up enough of a reputation to be a challenge for the podium.

    Soyoun's skating aesthetic is lovely. Her jump technique is similar to Yuna's, but I find her skating to be much sweeter, joyful, and softer (might be because she hasn't been buried by the pressure and expectations yet). I hope they let her fine-tune her own individual style and not try to force her into being a Yuna 2.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilahozi View Post
    ^I heard she's adding a triple-triple to her LP (she did it in SP this year), so the difficulty level of her programs will go up. It remains to be seen if she'll remain consistent in competitions, and if she'll build up enough of a reputation to be a challenge for the podium.

    Soyoun's skating aesthetic is lovely. Her jump technique is similar to Yuna's, but I find her skating to be much sweeter, joyful, and softer (prob. because she hasn't been buried under all the pressure and expectations yet). I hope they let her fine-tune her own individual style and not try to force her into being a Yuna 2.0.
    I also hope people don't treat her like a Li and put all this pressure on her because of one solid competition. Many people are calling her a threat or consistent, based of her Worlds performances. I wonder if people feel the same for Chafik Besseghier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I also hope people don't treat her like a Li and put all this pressure on her because of one solid competition. Many people are calling her a threat or consistent, based of her Worlds performances. I wonder if people feel the same for Chafik Besseghier?
    Who?

    I agree. Knocking her FS out the way she did was a major accomplishment and proved that she does have the goods to skate well and (with consistent performances) to score well. However, she's still very young and rather inexperienced at the senior level. She'll be competing on the senior GP this year, right? (for all of my knowledge re: figure skating I'm pretty clueless when it comes to world rankings and GP slots )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    All of your statements are incorrect. Sotnikova has far superior skating skills, speed, flow and jump quality.

    Which skaters' jumps garner more positive GOE when well executed? Adelina, by far. Her jumps, minus the lutz, are all excellent. Gracie does not have quality jumps; she just has difficult jumps (that she often fails to execute, hence her poor competitive record.) Gracie has stiff landings, no flow out of jumps, poor height, etc. Her jumps are not good and have been deteriorating since she started training with Carroll.

    You overestimate Gold's jumping technique. Her double axel and triple flip are awful jumps, meaning she has horrible technique on 2/6 of her main jumps that she performs. And she needs much tighter rotation than Sotnikova because she can't generate the same power Sotnikova does. Sotnikova's jumps have like twice the height of Gold's, so she would overrotate jumps if she had tighter air position. They are different style jumpers. Sotnikova is a power jumper in the mold of Slutskaya. Gold is more like Sasha Cohen, someone with tiny jumps that relies on quick rotation. I guess it's a matter of preference, but I vastly prefer Sotnikova's style.
    Gracie has tiny jumps like Sasha Cohen? Are you nuts? Yes last season Gold's jumps weren't as big as in previous years and i think part of that is thanks to Frank Carroll making Gracie get too thin and that took some power from her. Please tell me when Sasha ever had as huge a 3lutz3toe as Gracie did at Nationals in 2013 for instance.

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    Lets not forget that Ashley knocked her FS out of the park at worlds too. On top of that Ashley easily outperformed Park in Sochi and not too many people are saying Ashley is going to take over based on her Worlds performance. Consistency is going to be very crucial going forward with such a level playing field ahead. ITA with CSG about not putting too much pressure on her and I'm secretly hoping she can get away from skating too similarly to Yuna. Right now it's very evident in her presentation. Maybe that's not a bad thing but maybe too soon? In any case I was wowed by Park at Worlds and look forward to seeing her season develop. She carries a certain grace that really connects to the music and the audience. I like what I see from this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Gracie has tiny jumps like Sasha Cohen? Are you nuts? Yes last season Gold's jumps weren't as big as in previous years and i think part of that is thanks to Frank Carroll making Gracie get too thin and that took some power from her. Please tell me when Sasha ever had as huge a 3lutz3toe as Gracie did at Nationals in 2013 for instance.
    I'm not as impressed by Gracie's jumps now as I was in 2013 but I wouldn't call her a tiny jumper. For that matter, I wouldn't call Sasha a tiny jumper either; she was an average jumper.

    I will agree that the quality (mainly the power) of Gracie's jumps declined this year but she's still a solid jumper. Her lutz is excellent; flip is a lip and a bit inconsistent; loop is often eeked out, definitely not her strongest; salchow is okay; and her axel is a bit temperamental. She's not the best technician in the field but she's a solid jumper, that's for sure.

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