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    I guess I don't know what she'd gain by skating for another country. She'll still be up against the same competition internationally. All it MIGHT buy her is a national title. I find something kind of weird about that when you change countries just to possibly win a title because you can't win one in the country you live in. Quite a hollow victory IMO
    Not really. She gains attention. She's the only skater to support - because she's much better than best Polish skater Agata Kryger (e.g. personal best of Agata's FS is 75,93 and of Agnes' - 107, 90, and there is only difference of 3 years beetween them). In Poland she would be like shining star, a kind of hope - maybe "merely" Europeans' top ten, but, you must admit it, it's the way better than what happens nowadays.
    On the other hand, I would be, of course, very happy, if Agata switched to Poland but, frankly, I can't believe that it will change anything. I don't want to blame my country but financial support here is rather poor. I've once read the article about how our ice dancers tried to gain the money for training (I think they decided to split, unfortunately, they both are so talented and fastly developing, coached by Igor Shpilband). It was quite... eerie but I admire them so much. As much as I admire Agnes.
    In Poland there has been talented skaters but evereything goes wrong because of lack of something. For example in 1990's there was Anna Rechnio - she had everything: she was pretty, charming, talented, exept of one: she didn't have strong nerves. In 1998 Worlds Anna was an inch from medal, placing 2nd after short program. She missed it. As far as I know there wasn't any psychologist to work with her - what a waste! There are many situations like that in our figure skating - so I'm not so sure whether switching to Poland is the best decision possible.

    Maybe something gonna change - I hope so. And I still believe that Agnes skating for Poland can be successful. More successful than for US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    I guess I don't know what she'd gain by skating for another country. She'll still be up against the same competition internationally. All it MIGHT buy her is a national title. I find something kind of weird about that when you change countries just to possibly win a title because you can't win one in the country you live in. Quite a hollow victory IMO.
    Yeah, it is weird.. the only thing is that you get to go to Olympics or Worlds, maybe, but there would probably always be a voice in the back of your mind saying that you wouldn't have got those opportunities if you had continued to skate for your own country.. thus tarnishing the accomplishment a little bit. It's kind of like someone who flunks out of an Ivy League school, and goes to a community college and gets near-perfect grades. They would feel good about themselves but still know that it was less than they had originally hoped for or thought they were capable of. It's hard to put this idea into words.

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    I guess you have do define "success!" I do wish Agnes well but I don't enjoy her skating and I don't think she's an elite skater....no matter what country she skates for. I think she tried REALLY hard to make it, sacrificed a lot as did her family, but it just isn't there for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concorde View Post
    I wish Agnes and her entire family good luck in whatever they choose to pursue.
    I have enjoyed watching Agnes perform, and hope she will continue skating.

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    I enjoy Agnes' skating, too. And I admire her very much.

    Yeah, it is weird.. the only thing is that you get to go to Olympics or Worlds, maybe, but there would probably always be a voice in the back of your mind saying that you wouldn't have got those opportunities if you had continued to skate for your own country.. thus tarnishing the accomplishment a little bit. It's kind of like someone who flunks out of an Ivy League school, and goes to a community college and gets near-perfect grades. They would feel good about themselves but still know that it was less than they had originally hoped for or thought they were capable of. It's hard to put this idea into words.
    Do you remember the ice dancers from Azerbaijan? Julia Zlobina and Alexei Sitnikov. They both are originally Russian. In their home country they placed as high as fifth at Nationals. And because of that - they made very few international appearances. In 2011 they decided to switch to Azerbajian and now they have chace to develop. Although Azerbajian is "skatingly" poorer than Russia, they surely have enough support to place higher and higer every season. This season they placed 6th at European - a competition they wouldn't have had chance to participate in, if they had stayed in Russia. As Polish I really would like my country to have a skater in Europeans top ten.

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    In a way, skating for Poland (with all its challenges) could add meaning to Agnes's career. She would know that in addition to giving her own career a boost, she would be advancing skating in Poland. It's not as if she had no connection with her heritage. Doesn't she speak Polish at home? Yes, financing would be hard to come by in Poland, but maybe if Agnes is more successful, she would encourage more spending from the national federation. Even a little would help. And Agnes would have the satisfaction of knowing that she had helped nourish Polish skating for the future.

    I know this isn't exactly parallel, but in the 1970s, Dianne de Leeuw skated for the Netherlands despite growing up in the U.S. She won a world championship and an Olympic silver medal. I don't think the Netherlands has done as well since then, so she helped them in at least a temporary way and gave herself extra opportunities that she wouldn't have had skating in the then-crowded U.S. ladies' field, which included Dorothy Hamill and Linda Fratianne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    In a way, skating for Poland (with all its challenges) could add meaning to Agnes's career. She would know that in addition to giving her own career a boost, she would be advancing skating in Poland. It's not as if she had no connection with her heritage. Doesn't she speak Polish at home? Yes, financing would be hard to come by in Poland, but maybe if Agnes is more successful, she would encourage more spending from the national federation. Even a little would help. And Agnes would have the satisfaction of knowing that she had helped nourish Polish skating for the future.

    I know this isn't exactly parallel, but in the 1970s, Dianne de Leeuw skated for the Netherlands despite growing up in the U.S. She won a world championship and an Olympic silver medal. I don't think the Netherlands has done as well since then, so she helped them in at least a temporary way and gave herself extra opportunities that she wouldn't have had skating in the then-crowded U.S. ladies' field, which included Dorothy Hamill and Linda Fratianne.
    She is not getting any financing from the USA this year anyway, so it would be pretty much the same in that respect. I actually bet that did influence whether she could continue this year unfortunately. If she'd been eligible for envelope funding I think she might have kept on, but financing it all herself was probably too daunting.

    I don't agree with the Ivy league community college skating comparison but that's just my opinion. I think it's just good sense if you can go to a less competitive country from a more competitive one if you are not the very best, but are good enough to compete decently nationally. Agnes IS someone who could place in the top 10 or even possibly top 5 at Euros. She is someone who would have been sent by the USA to Worlds in past years if we'd had 3 spots not 2. I don't think at this time that she is a potential world or Olympic medal winning skater, but I think in the right circumstances she could be as good as Ashley Wagner. So basically I don't agree that she's not an elite level skater. I think she is someone who needs help with their nerves and who will never probably be the best of the best, but who could certainly win some international medals and go to the WC in the future.

    To me, if anything, it would be more like getting C's and low B's at an Ivy, and then moving to a decent state school and getting A-'s.

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    IMHO I think her hiatus is for stashing money for any kind of move she's going. I believe she's coming back, as a competitor for Poland. And good for her!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleLotte29 View Post
    I enjoy Agnes' skating, too. And I admire her very much.



    Do you remember the ice dancers from Azerbaijan? Julia Zlobina and Alexei Sitnikov. They both are originally Russian. In their home country they placed as high as fifth at Nationals. And because of that - they made very few international appearances. In 2011 they decided to switch to Azerbajian and now they have chace to develop. Although Azerbajian is "skatingly" poorer than Russia, they surely have enough support to place higher and higer every season. This season they placed 6th at European - a competition they wouldn't have had chance to participate in, if they had stayed in Russia. As Polish I really would like my country to have a skater in Europeans top ten.
    I do like them, and I think they're an exception because they eventually managed to beat some of the teams that had originally beaten them when they were skating for Russian. If Agnes skated for Poland and because she was happier, got more opportunities for exposure, or whatever, beat Mirai, Ashley, Gracie, or Polina at Worlds then I would say she'd be an exception too. However, if she continued to stay behind those who had been beating her in the US that voice in the back of her mind would probably be present.

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    I do like them, and I think they're an exception because they eventually managed to beat some of the teams that had originally beaten them when they were skating for Russian. If Agnes skated for Poland and because she was happier, got more opportunities for exposure, or whatever, beat Mirai, Ashley, Gracie, or Polina at Worlds then I would say she'd be an exception too. However, if she continued to stay behind those who had been beating her in the US that voice in the back of her mind would probably be present.
    But in Poland she would have much wider range of possibilities. I mean, she could, e.g. go to Worlds, Grand Prix, Europeans, some B-class events. She would get another opportunities to beat her season's best and to be better and better. Maybe Agnes wouldn't beat Ashley, Gracie and Polina, but she would have strong chances to beat Christina Gao, Samantha Cesario or Courtney Hicks. I didn't tell that she immadietely would become World and European Champion - but for Poland top European ten would be considered as success. I want to say that there's a difference beetween expectations - successful skater in US means at least 4CC champion and in Poland - it means skater in top ten :P

    I don't agree with the Ivy league community college skating comparison but that's just my opinion. I think it's just good sense if you can go to a less competitive country from a more competitive one if you are not the very best, but are good enough to compete decently nationally. Agnes IS someone who could place in the top 10 or even possibly top 5 at Euros. She is someone who would have been sent by the USA to Worlds in past years if we'd had 3 spots not 2. I don't think at this time that she is a potential world or Olympic medal winning skater, but I think in the right circumstances she could be as good as Ashley Wagner. So basically I don't agree that she's not an elite level skater. I think she is someone who needs help with their nerves and who will never probably be the best of the best, but who could certainly win some international medals and go to the WC in the future.
    I totally agree with it :D Nicely said. Agnes is not a bad skater, she just doesn't have chance to develop. I hope my country would give such a chance

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