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- Oct 23, 2011
Let us go back to Sonja Henie. This is inspired by my thread and some of the responses regarding the popularity or unpopularity of Ashley Wagner and why. I maintain she is special and one of the few athletic performers left on the screne today.
What makes a star besides winning an Olympic Gold Medal? I saw people really malign Tara *including Peggy in a documentary) Because she was so determined and "not intimidated" by anyone. She won gold but people still liked Michelle better and insisted that MK was robbed when even her coach is on record as telling her she would hear it but not so. Tara won he said that night.
When I think of women stars loved by the Us and beyond public I come up with one crucial element that they have or must fake. It isn't level 10 spins or beauty a la Henie. It isn't a a great bustline and sexy beauty like the young Witt. It isn't the speed of Caro or Asian beauty of YuNa combined with off the hook speedy huge 3x3's consistently done in evry major comp practically.
The ones who really capture us and get rich with or without Oly Gold is a personality of humility combined with either bauty or talent. I have never seen Asada bragg that she is ethereal on ice, adorable, charming and can throw 2 triple axels at age 16 in a program. But all are true and we all brag about how much (most of us) of a great skater Mao Asada is, despite her ups and downs in the last quad.
Tell me what skater captured you and why? I can think of two skaters who were among the best ever, world champions, who charmed us as amateurs and pros. They both had confidence but it was quiet and never beat their own drum. Yuka Sato and janet Lynn. I find these two to be superb skaters when a hit list of mesmerizing performances. Talented, attractive but above all, humble-or at least they APPEARED to be so.
Alissa is beloved despite her bombing performances because she was amazingly beautiful, had the classic spins spirals to die for and was sweetly innocent and never bragged even if she was US Champ and drooled over in the skating community. Scott Hamilton is an example or adoration despite her lack of competitive achievement internationally.
Tell me about the women skating stars you loved best. I maintain Ashley is not beloved for her outspoken off ice behavior. She paid a price for it in Sochi and at Worlds where she had the LP of her lifetime. Tonya was at one pointn the best US skater but she did not understand she had to be humble about the triple axel. I talk about Tonya before the whack. She was never liked nor did USFSA even pretend due to her private life.
What needs to happen to allow women figure skaters to compete and talk like other top Athletes? Linsey Vonn doesn't have to play humble honey. We see there is some backlash in the past when Patrick called Zhenya old in Vancouver, but really no one jumped all over the satements made by any male like they do the women. Kwan was beloved for her silver medal nagano humility as much as for her pretty look and consistent jumps.
What does it take to change the culture of figureskating to allow women to be outwardly confident like Sarah was before the Olympics? I recall she quietly said she felt she could compete with anyone and do well and she was right. She did become a bit cocky after that. When do women get to be as outwardly confident as the men like Plusenko? I feel this humble pie behavior mandated for women does a job on the psyche. Act and therefor become. What is your opinion and will this ever change in FS? I hope so because I am tired of seeing women get less than they deserve for believing in themselves.
What makes a star besides winning an Olympic Gold Medal? I saw people really malign Tara *including Peggy in a documentary) Because she was so determined and "not intimidated" by anyone. She won gold but people still liked Michelle better and insisted that MK was robbed when even her coach is on record as telling her she would hear it but not so. Tara won he said that night.
When I think of women stars loved by the Us and beyond public I come up with one crucial element that they have or must fake. It isn't level 10 spins or beauty a la Henie. It isn't a a great bustline and sexy beauty like the young Witt. It isn't the speed of Caro or Asian beauty of YuNa combined with off the hook speedy huge 3x3's consistently done in evry major comp practically.
The ones who really capture us and get rich with or without Oly Gold is a personality of humility combined with either bauty or talent. I have never seen Asada bragg that she is ethereal on ice, adorable, charming and can throw 2 triple axels at age 16 in a program. But all are true and we all brag about how much (most of us) of a great skater Mao Asada is, despite her ups and downs in the last quad.
Tell me what skater captured you and why? I can think of two skaters who were among the best ever, world champions, who charmed us as amateurs and pros. They both had confidence but it was quiet and never beat their own drum. Yuka Sato and janet Lynn. I find these two to be superb skaters when a hit list of mesmerizing performances. Talented, attractive but above all, humble-or at least they APPEARED to be so.
Alissa is beloved despite her bombing performances because she was amazingly beautiful, had the classic spins spirals to die for and was sweetly innocent and never bragged even if she was US Champ and drooled over in the skating community. Scott Hamilton is an example or adoration despite her lack of competitive achievement internationally.
Tell me about the women skating stars you loved best. I maintain Ashley is not beloved for her outspoken off ice behavior. She paid a price for it in Sochi and at Worlds where she had the LP of her lifetime. Tonya was at one pointn the best US skater but she did not understand she had to be humble about the triple axel. I talk about Tonya before the whack. She was never liked nor did USFSA even pretend due to her private life.
What needs to happen to allow women figure skaters to compete and talk like other top Athletes? Linsey Vonn doesn't have to play humble honey. We see there is some backlash in the past when Patrick called Zhenya old in Vancouver, but really no one jumped all over the satements made by any male like they do the women. Kwan was beloved for her silver medal nagano humility as much as for her pretty look and consistent jumps.
What does it take to change the culture of figureskating to allow women to be outwardly confident like Sarah was before the Olympics? I recall she quietly said she felt she could compete with anyone and do well and she was right. She did become a bit cocky after that. When do women get to be as outwardly confident as the men like Plusenko? I feel this humble pie behavior mandated for women does a job on the psyche. Act and therefor become. What is your opinion and will this ever change in FS? I hope so because I am tired of seeing women get less than they deserve for believing in themselves.