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    Ashley Wagner's future

    Has anybody noticed that Ashley got 2nd in her event and has not received much attention from Icenetwork or USFSA?

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    I honestly don't really know why she isn't receiving much attention...
    I love the way she skates. It's powerful and it's such fun to watch her. She's got that natural flare and experience, plus she really glides across the ice.
    (Her Russian splits are amazing)

    Everyone knows her problems with UR, spins and jump consistency but I think she's one of the few skaters left that really knows how to capture the essence of 'performing'.
    But they were saying that judges are not so generous to Ashley now because she criticised them and the ISU... And most comments on her SC short was "OMG you copied Michelle Kwan it's so boring why is everyone and their mama skating to Spartacus" etc etc.
    Maybe this is why there isn't much attention to her now.

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    Yes, I picked up on that also. I also noticed that she didn't go for her 3-3 in both programs. She has to start going for them in GP events so that she is consistent on them for deeper competition fields with more highly regarded skaters, (4C,US Nats, Wrlds ect.) She cant beat a the Russians , Gracie, and Polina with out a 3-3 unless she has an inflated PCS.

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    Wagner has a higher SB than Polina and Gracie - without a clean 3-3, at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skategmt View Post
    Yes, I picked up on that also. I also noticed that she didn't go for her 3-3 in both programs. She has to start going for them in GP events so that she is consistent on them for deeper competition fields with more highly regarded skaters, (4C,US Nats, Wrlds ect.) She cant beat a the Russians , Gracie, and Polina with out a 3-3 unless she has an inflated PCS.
    But, the major problem is that Ashley did outscore both Polina and Gracie without that 3-3 combo and without those generous PCS (Gracie at SA) this GP season so far. I agree that she can't contend against the Russians without a 3-3, but the fact that she beat the other Americans without it should send signals to the USFSA that they're putting their eggs in the wrong basket.

    Gracie and Polina are better skaters than Ashley technically, but if they can't deliver it when it counts like Ashley usually does, their abilities are moot.

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    I think she's a great skater, she channels me that old-glamour figure skating aura, her programs are really good, BUT she's just not that charismatic. Sometimes when you're not charismatic you have to be like insanely good just so you get noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginask8s View Post
    Has anybody noticed that Ashley got 2nd in her event and has not received much attention from Icenetwork or USFSA?
    Your question is meaningless. Any lack of attention is not a reflection on Wagner.

    Jason Brown and Denney/Frazier did not receive much attention after their silvers at Skate America .... until they competed again at Rostelecom.

    Chock/Bates did not receive much attention after their gold at Skate America .... until they competed again at Rostelecom.

    Wagner will receive attention when she competes at TEB this week.

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    "Gold takes Bronze at Skate America" There was a nice article about that. I think Ashley deserves some love too. She is a former national champ and does add some spice to the current ladies competing both at home and internationally. In any event, I hope you are correct and that she will get some media attention this week!

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    She'll likely medal at TEB and qualify for the GPF. Then she'll get some more attention.
    But good observation from CanadianSkaterGuy about her score, which she accomplished without a 3-3.
    Question though: if she doesn't have the technical firepower / arsenal like the others do and they all go clean, then she'll likely fall down the standings. She won't be 15th or anything that low, but she'll just float between 5th and 9th, a solid 7th?

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    Considering how Wagner handled things when the spotlight WAS on her, it's probably better this way anyway.

    Wagner does best flying under the radar, having to prove that she belongs where she wants to belong.

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    Wagner needs Gracie to make mistakes like she did at SA that's the only reason she has a higher score this season. Gold was mediocre at SA but if she's clean Ashley won't beat her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravy View Post
    Gracie and Polina are better skaters than Ashley technically, but if they can't deliver it when it counts like Ashley usually does, their abilities are moot.
    Ashley usually does well in a non pressure events. In the big events, she crumbled hard. Look at her past 2 National outings.
    She's not anymore consistent than these two.

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    I wonder if the pressure to get to the GPF will get to Ashley at TEB - at this point it looks like she may be the only US lady in contention for the final since 4 of the slots will most likely go to Russians and the other may be Japanese (Rika or Satoko?). I hope she doesn't crumble and skates like she did at SC (or even better!).

    Perhaps if Gracie takes the Gold at NHK she will make the final, but that's a big IF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Ashley usually does well in a non pressure events. In the big events, she crumbled hard. Look at her past 2 National outings.
    She's not anymore consistent than these two.
    Ashley seems to let the pressure get to her at nationals, but what about everything else? She's got 6 Grand Prix medals (2 gold) since 2011-12, and medalled at the last 2 GP finals. She's also got two top-5 finishes at Worlds, a 4 Continents win, and a strong showing at the Olympics, IMO (she really did get low-balled in PCS there compared to some other competitors).

    She won't reach the podium at worlds without a consistent 3-3, but her track record at international events is very strong.

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    I like her skating much better this season! Instead of making triple/triple jumps that she isn't feeling confortable with it, I much prefer to see her having a good and powerful skating with jumps that she feel confortable. Her performance this season are my favorite. I also like Gedevanishvili for having a conservative technical arsenal but she delivers a great job at Skate America. This was great! Having sense with the music is also important in figure skating, the young girl jumping beans can do the jumps, but they lack of artistic ability. Ashley Wagner will get attention by TEB, I'm pretty sure, she is a dark horse.

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