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    Bobrova & Soloviev- the wild cards of ice dancing this season

    The biggest question mark going into this season in ice dancing is probably the team of Bobrova & Soloviev. Last year was an interesting season for them to say the least. They did well on the grand prix amidst many thinking their skating and programs were not that strong this season, and they were the biggest wuzgifted team of the early part of the season. Even with that they began to lose regularly to Pechalat & Bourzat, their main rivals for the Sochi bronze. They went into Sochi as firm Russian #1, but found themselves overtaken with a huge bang by their younger teammates who won the bronze while B&S ended up 5th behind P&B again. That team though who looked like the heir apparents for Russian #1 for years to come, are now dunzo, yet have split up to form 2 new teams, and nobody knows how those 2 reincarnations of I&K will pan out, atleast in the short term. Seemingly putting B&S back at #1 for the moment, but that could change, and we will have to see what direction the Russian fed. wants to go in once they see how all 3 teams look to start the season. They then missed worlds with a back injury, the same worlds the now discontinued I&K were supposed to cake walk to gold at but finished 4th after a monstrous OD error.

    They are the real wild cards of the whole season. They could conceivably be passed by Chock & Bates, the 2 new Russian teams, and drop to 2nd or 3rd Russians or 5th/6th in the world. Or they could come back with a vengeance and overtake Weaver & Poje and Capellini & Lanotte and become the World Champs. Even their grand prix assignements are very interesting, meeting Chock & Bates in their first outing, Capellini & Lanotte in their 2nd, and a couple up and comers in both. They could conceivably win both events, and be down in 3rd in both.

    It will be interesting to see how their fortunes pan out, and how they are scored. Whether they are still a judges pet graced with inflated marks their skating does not merit (like most Russian skaters) or if their skating and programs are actually really strong this year, a big improvement of last year, and merit the high scores they might get. Also whether the Russian fed considers them #1 again thanks to the split of I&K or if they would rather promote one of the new teams above them right away.

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    To go from V/M and D/W being champions to B/S becoming World champions would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    To go from V/M and D/W being champions to B/S becoming World champions would be
    Well as much as I like them you could already say the same thing as C/L already having become world champions on the heels of D/W and V/M. Really there are no current teams even close to the level of D/W and V/M, and even moreso that the team with by far the most potential going forward (I/K) are done, probably forever. W/P are the only team I could see down the road reaching close to the level of D/W or V/M, or maybe one of the young Russian teams. In the short term whoever is champion will be a HUGE drop off from V/M and D/W, 2 of the top 5 teams all time.

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    A lot will depend on the dances and of course health. BS can't afford another "bird program". They have a chance to show that they are Russian first team. But Carmen and Karenina actually don't sound promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anastasi14 View Post
    A lot will depend on the dances and of course health. BS can't afford another "bird program". They have a chance to show that they are Russian first team. But Carmen and Karenina actually don't sound promising.
    I think this is a make or break it season for them. If they are supplanted (again) as Russian #1 so fast, they probably have no hope of hanging on all the way to 2018 to even make the team then. They will probably just continue to drop both internationally and nationally in that case. However if consolidate themselves again as Russian #1 (atleast for now), and make it back to the podium at worlds, bronze or even better, they have prospects moving forward and can realistically aim for 2018.

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    I am really looking forward to Skate America. B&S and Chock and Bates both have an opportunity to show that they can't be ignored, while the Shibutanis can make some noise if they finish higher than third.

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    There's something about Bobrova and Soloviev that doesn't sit right with me. A couple years ago there was a Skate America practice video with Davis and White, Bobrova and soloviev and a couple others on the ice. Davis and White's music was playing and so it was there chance to have command of center ice. That's the rule. Right before Charlie lifted Meryl upside down for one of those difficult one legged super-hard balance moves, Bobrova and Soloviev cur right in front of them and, luckily, Charlie saw it and aborted the lift. It was super scary. This video has been since taken down. So, ok, maybe an accident but since then I've watched Soloviev's demeanor and there seems to me an edge, an arrogance that I'm, not liking. I'm sure his fans will disagree and say it was just an accident and it happens all the time. We'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider11 View Post
    There's something about Bobrova and Soloviev that doesn't sit right with me. A couple years ago there was a Skate America practice video with Davis and White, Bobrova and soloviev and a couple others on the ice. Davis and White's music was playing and so it was there chance to have command of center ice. That's the rule. Right before Charlie lifted Meryl upside down for one of those difficult one legged super-hard balance moves, Bobrova and Soloviev cur right in front of them and, luckily, Charlie saw it and aborted the lift. It was super scary. This video has been since taken down. So, ok, maybe an accident but since then I've watched Soloviev's demeanor and there seems to me an edge, an arrogance that I'm, not liking. I'm sure his fans will disagree and say it was just an accident and it happens all the time. We'll see...
    Sochi 2014. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVsL01m_ZbI
    How many pairs are breaking the 'rules'! OMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider11 View Post
    There's something about Bobrova and Soloviev that doesn't sit right with me. A couple years ago there was a Skate America practice video with Davis and White, Bobrova and soloviev and a couple others on the ice. Davis and White's music was playing and so it was there chance to have command of center ice. That's the rule. Right before Charlie lifted Meryl upside down for one of those difficult one legged super-hard balance moves, Bobrova and Soloviev cur right in front of them and, luckily, Charlie saw it and aborted the lift. It was super scary. This video has been since taken down. So, ok, maybe an accident but since then I've watched Soloviev's demeanor and there seems to me an edge, an arrogance that I'm, not liking. I'm sure his fans will disagree and say it was just an accident and it happens all the time. We'll see...
    I don’t want to look that skaters (especially dancers) are a group of close friends without any rivalry inside, that was never true. But there are certain borders which they simply don’t cross over.

    Rule about avoiding the couple who skates the program during practise or overall avoiding an accidents at practise / warm-ups…yes, all dancers try to do it. And they all fail time to time.

    You must take into account some things…
    1) all dancers are not from one ring, so they don’t know whole choreography of their rivals (in which part lift, twizzles, steps are planned)…
    2) all dancers skate just some parts of the programs and for the rest of time they are just moving hand in hand across the ice, so other couples are skating closer to them taking place for their elements…
    3) it is sometimes really hard to guess in what direction the choreography and skating couple goes…
    4) there are coaches of all couples who are starting to scream immediately when couples get too close, but sometimes even they don’t notice the danger or they notice it too late…
    5) you can notice at every practise that all couples are interupting elements many times because they must avoid a crash with another couple…

    If really Bobrova & Soloviev didn’t pay attention to Davis & White or if they simply expected that the couple is not skating right now / skating into another direction / or they simply didn’t see them…I don’t know. But I refuse to think that this behaviour could be on purpose.

    There is one thing which you don’t take into account, slider11.
    The injuries.
    Very often if two couples crash there are injured people on both sides. I don’t believe that some dancers would be so stupid to try to arrange a crash knowing that they could be injured as well.

    Do you remember Nora Hoffmann and Japanese lady Watanabe’s crash at 2006 World Champs during FD warm-up? Nora was cut into elbow and bleeding, she was also hit by Watanabe into her back, which caused a back injury – Nora almost withdrew and finished her FD in tears.

    Or for example Sinitsina & Zhiganshin executed twizzles at Cup of Russia 2012 FD practise while I&K skated towards them (you can imagine how safe Vika and Ruslan felt when they rotated twizzles and by tail of their eyes saw another couple who was skating against them).
    The same Sinitsina & Zhiganshin were “attacked“ by Papadakis & Cizeron at 2012 Junior World FD warm-up, while Vika and Ruslan couldn’t see Gabriella and Guillaume, the French were skating and looking at direction of Russians and almost crashed into them.
    I don’t think that those almost accidents happened by purpose, why? Nobody wants to be injured for the rest of the season.

    To Soloviev arrogancy, I must say that some years ago I read somewhere that Katya Bobrova is more self confident person…but I never read it about Dima. But arrogancy issue seems a little but funny…Katya was the only one who sold the car (which was a gift from Medvedev for Olympic Medal) and gave a part of the money for charity. And Dima was that one who tried to make calm screaming people who didn’t agree with marks after FD at the Olympics, because he wanted to allowed next competing ice dance couple to prepare and concentrate.

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    They have good programs next season Carmen(red hair) and Anna Karenina
    I think they will be fighting for a podium at Worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    They have good programs next season Carmen(red hair) and Anna Karenina
    I think they will be fighting for a podium at Worlds
    The programs sound very similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    To go from V/M and D/W being champions to B/S becoming World champions would be
    Well C and L are equally as "bad" or tragic or traumatic imho. C and L should count their lucky stars nothing against them but they remind me of those "lucky" teams that snatched bronze and then they sort of disappeared Isareli team and the Lithuainians I believe even the shibutani's. B/S are arguably better than C and L.

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    I think it all depends on their program choices. They have suffered due to choosing bad programs in the past. I think they'll definitely hang on to Russian #1 for at least this year, but after that, I'm not so sure. I'd have to wait to say something about that until after I've seen the two new Russian teams. Unless they really hit it out of the park I think they'll probably take world bronze with C/L and W/P ahead of them, in some order, probably that one. Chock and Bates have been kind of a question mark too so I'm honestly not sure how they'll stack up against them. My guess it's that the Russians will continue to stay a bit ahead of the Americans (Shibs too), but have those teams kind of nipping at their heels, especially C/B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    I think it all depends on their program choices. They have suffered due to choosing bad programs in the past. I think they'll definitely hang on to Russian #1 for at least this year, but after that, I'm not so sure. I'd have to wait to say something about that until after I've seen the two new Russian teams. Unless they really hit it out of the park I think they'll probably take world bronze with C/L and W/P ahead of them, in some order, probably that one. Chock and Bates have been kind of a question mark too so I'm honestly not sure how they'll stack up against them. My guess it's that the Russians will continue to stay a bit ahead of the Americans (Shibs too), but have those teams kind of nipping at their heels, especially C/B.
    I will be surprised if C&L defend their world title. I see them probably on the podium but only with silver or bronze, and if they stay past this year they will probably drop out of the top 3 in favor of some up and coming teams. I think W&P or B&S (probably more likely W&P) will win it this year. Lets just say their surprise world title last year was not the dawning of them as the new dominant team in ice dancing IMO.

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    I hope that Bobrova and Soloviev come back and win a world title. They probably would have at least medalled in Japan.

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