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    Why no Solo Dance?

    In roller skating, solo dance competitions are really popular and we have Senior and Junior categories who compete at Worlds together with Singles, Pairs and Dance Couples; for example, these are the reigning WCs, both from Italy: Paola Fraschini http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWlspY6gSg and Alessandro Spigai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vjX5nPwTBs. A lot of people compete both in SL and Couples: for example, Alessandro is WC in Solo Dance and in Dance Couples (with Anna Remondini).
    I know that there are Solo Dance competitions in the US, but at low levels: what would you think about making it an international discipline, with the same importance as the others (as it is in roller skating)? I personally think that, with all the beautiful opportunities that skating on ice gives (for turns and flow, a lot more than roller skating for sure!), we would see wonderful programs and skaters! And maybe some skaters who are not great jumpers but are able to skate with excellent edges, posture, basic technique etc. could have a chance to shine in these competitions without having to skate with a partner! What do you think?

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    great! I have never seen before...

    But I don't like to see this on ice. The skaters are dancing + jumping. More exciting.

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    I often read some people want to see artistry and complaining about falling in jumps, too many jumps etc. So probably this single/solo dance can be a category to satisfy this group of viewers/fans...artistry rather than athletics.

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    I love it when singles skaters incorporate dance into their programs, but I don't watch a lot of ice dance because I find it rather dull watching team after team without any jumps at all. I think ice shows and exhibitions are the best place for those kinds of skaters to show off what they can do. It would be nice if there were more opportunities for them, though, no question.

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    Solo dance is competed in some countries. It is part of the Lake Placid Ice Dance Competition in the US every year, for example.

    There is no ISU Solo Dance at this time, I believe.

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    I'm not against this in principle. I dunno if I'll find it as interesting as dancing with jumps, but if there's duo ice dance why not a solo one? The question is, how will such a contest be judged? It'll be even harder to judge than ice dance: no lifts, no holds, no matching lines/synchronization/side-by-side twizzles to judge, and less ability to tell a story since you have only one character to work with. I don't want it to be "4 minutes of tedious COP step sequence," on one end of the spectrum, but I also don't want it to be "who can make the best faces at the judges?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by alia jackson View Post
    I often read some people want to see artistry and complaining about falling in jumps, too many jumps etc. So probably this single/solo dance can be a category to satisfy this group of viewers/fans...artistry rather than athletics.
    People complain because they expect more from elite athletes. They'd complain if they went to a gymnastics competition and almost every gymnast fell off the beam in Event Finals as well. That's normal. No one wants to see a splat fest, especially now that you have to pay even to watch decent streamed coverage without having to hunt for a Latvian feed you can't understand these days (or being a cable/satellite subscriber, and their broadcasts are usually distilled and/or run after you've known the results for hours)...

    I would not pay to see a Solo Dance event, personally, and I don't see how they're going to be able to add Ladies and Men's Solo dance into the schedule at ISU championships. All of that costs money, a lot of it.

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    Afaik, there are no efforts to include solo dance at ISU championships.

    However, the most watched ice skating video is still Willow Smith's Whip My Hair, which isn't that far from a solo dance performance. And people watch DWTS and SYTYCD, and that's just dance. Synchro worlds sold out in Boston, and it had no real jumps.

    If solo dance attracted better and more charismatic skaters, it could well find an audience. It just wouldn't necessarily be the same audience as singles or pairs IMO. I'd watch.

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    Not sure about the solo. If solo is introduced, how about Pas de Trois, Pas de Quatre...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayW View Post
    Not sure about the solo. If solo is introduced, how about Pas de Trois, Pas de Quatre...
    The thing is: we have both solo skaters and couples executing jumps/spins, but we have only couples performing Ice Dancing, why this difference? (Because this is the tradition, I know, but this is what I propose to discuss about in this thread )

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    Solo dance is huge in the US.

    http://www.usfsa.org/Programs.asp?id=479

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    I would love to see this take off as another discipline. I expect that it will build from the bottom up. If enough federations end up holding national championships in solo dance, and maybe offering the event at various internationals, not necessarily senior-only, eventually there will be dedicated international solo dance competitions.

    If becomes popular enough with participants, the ISU may offer a world championship in the discipline.

    Whenever that happens, which may take decades, then it will start attracting more talented skaters who choose to focus on skating and music interpretation rather than jumps, or who have the wrong body type to master triple jumps or to skate and perform lifts with an opposite-sex dance partner, but who otherwise have everything it takes to reach an elite level.

    If the ISU should offer solo dance championships before the discipline builds up its own stars from the grassroots up, they could attract more preteen/teen skaters sooner to choose that discipline as a first choice. Meanwhile, if they wanted to hold championships before enough elite-level skaters had worked their way up through the solo dance ranks, we'd probably see mostly established ice dancers without partners and a few elite singles skaters who have chosen (or their bodies chose for them) to take their focus off jumping.

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    ^That sounds like it'll attract more girls than guys, because, well, puberty monster...

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    I'd rather see the removal of "ice dancing" from figure skating disciplines than development of "solo dance".

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    If you're not interested, you don't have to watch.

    If few fans want to watch, then there won't be TV contracts and it's less likely that the ISU would be interested in setting up championships.

    But if enough skaters want participate at a grass roots level and entry fees cover the costs of the competitions, the existence of a non-fan-friendly discipline would have no impact on what fans do want to see.

    Same with synchronized skating, which does have world championships now.

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