So solo dance is something for maniacs, not even average skating fans can't understand, let alone ordinary people.
But the "average fan" can tell if you stood up or not. I don't suppose there'll be a lot of people falling on twizzles?The "average fan" can't tell if a jump was done well or not (proper edge, full rotation, etc),
Solo dance does present some challenges in judging (as well as a lot of sport/not sport debates). Rather than comparing it to singles, better to compare it to ice dance. My conclusion: it's even harder to understand and judge, because in ice dance you have holds, lifts, and side-by-side twizzles.
Quite a few people have fallen or tripped on twizzles ,
Ask Nikita Katsalapov this year.
Heck, ask any dance team.
The "average fan" can't tell if a jump was done well or not (proper edge, full rotation, etc),
"But the "average fan" can tell if you stood up or not."
One could argue that it is really confusing when someone "stood up" on all their jumps, and yet gets a really low technical score. Standing up on the jump isn't even half the battle. Correct takeoff edge and full rotation, which the average fan knows nothing about, are just as important. A "stood up" "triple" can actually net someone almost no points if they get lots of deductions on it, deductions that cannot be identified by most people watching. And yet, people watch. If you have no interest in learning about solo ice dance, that is fine. I just ask people not be so dismissive/ flippant about it, especially when clueless about the discipline.
Oh, of course. But it doesn't happen as often as people fall on jumps (thank god). Problem of judging remains. (Also, falling on solo twizzles should be even rarer, since you don't have a partner to crash into... or a partner to stay in synch with to determine which team did better).
Woah, why are you saying I have no interest in learning about solo dance? I've stated many times in the thread that I'm totally fine with solo dance championships (and that even people who aren't interested can just not watch). I'm simply raising the issue that it is hard to judge.
And many people are confused about the current judging system in singles. Hence why we have so many of these COP vs. 6.0 debates.
I never said twizzles were easy. I said solo dance poses unique problems in judging, because it lacks certain elements that are present in ice dance. And the "other elements" are not indistinguishable in singles. The audience can tell how fast and well-centred a spin is, for instance. They can tell if a jump is landed lightly, or if the air position is straight or wonky.
I support the growth of solo dance. Don't lump me in with NMURA (who is, of course, entitled to his/her opinion, but it's not an opinion I share).
Frankly, solo dance will be kind of a dump site for singles skaters who can't compete due to weak jumping ability yet physically unsuitable for pairs or ice dance. Not so many "fans" would be interested in such a "discipline".
Are there available videos of men solo dance that I can view? Thanks.
Hey, it'll be great to see 'dancers' like Daisuke Takahashi or Akiko Suzuki as solo dancers. I love their programs even without the jumps!
I'd LOVE to see Lambiel and Takahashi face off in a dance competition -On or off the ice.