Both are my love, lol. But frankly I don't think either of them can win a quad contest against Tim Goebel at Tim's prime. so yes, quad is a must to reach the podium but the whole package (choreography, presentation, other elements and jumps) is the must to be a champion.I think you could say that the reason Tim Goebel did not win in Salt Lake City was that he was up against two of the greatest skaters of all time, Yagudin and Plushenko.
Same for Kovtun who is trying to put 5 quads in both of his program. We all know what happened to Kevin Reynolds. Javi has more chances of success, in my humble opinion, since he has much much better jumps than Kovtun both in term of quality and quantity.If Javier wants to attempt 4 different quads, more power to him. However, they shouldn't just be for the heck of it. He should have at least somewhat of a handle on these quads in practice (even 20% of the time) to deem it competition worthy. Otherwise it could be another Olympics disaster if he triples them.
I think we should take Brian Jourbert's words more seriously, when he said trying quads affects other elements of the program not positively. Yes if they think they can do it, why would stop them, but surely it will affect the program to some point. What matters is can they pull it together. :think:I also think that people focus too much on an increased level of difficulty as detracting a ton from the program. I think a few less steps into a 4Z versus more transitions into an easier 3Z doesn't affect the interpretation of the program as a whole. A good skater like Javier won't let the importance of a quad overwhelm the rest of an otherwise wonderful program.
Same for Kovtun who is trying to put 5 quads in both of his program. We all know what happened to Kevin Reynolds. Javi has more chances of success, in my humble opinion, since he has much much better jumps than Kovtun both in term of quality and quantity.
...I wouldn't recommend him trying the quads in competition if he's only 20% successful in practice. In competition, they become exponentially harder because of nerves + the demand of the overall program. Also, as Meoima said (and as I've said in the past), a quad isn't something you do and it's done, over with, no effect on the rest of the program. The second quad becomes harder than the first, because you've already expended energy doing the first (this, btw, is the answer to your earlier question--why do people with a decent quad toe like Denis Ten opt not to do a second one. Because it's harder than the first. ).If Javier wants to attempt 4 different quads, more power to him. However, they shouldn't just be for the heck of it. He should have at least somewhat of a handle on these quads in practice (even 20% of the time) to deem it competition worthy. Otherwise it could be another Olympics disaster if he triples them.
But not in other competitions. and I mean it's plural.It allowed him to win 4CC?
It's not only Kovtun who will try to max out his BV, Javi also tries his best, too. Gachinski will also try his best, too. And other guys as well. Someone with powerful jumping ability like Han Yan will also try to do the same. So it's not Kovtun vs Javi but all the guys vs each other.Javier has slightly greater quantity of jumps, but if Kovtun tries 3 quads and 2 triple axels and learns a lutz-salchow or flip-salchow sequence, that's one extra axel and Kovtun would have the edge. Of course Kovtun has less quality than Javier, but is slightly more consistent on his non-quad elements -- certainly more consistent than Javi on the 3A. Both are unfortunately "prone" (I use quotes for Kovtun since it's hard to say after just one GP season) to popping/doubling quads or triples, which is holding back their TES score from challenging Hanyu.
I mean next season. "Will try to do the same" doesn't ring a bell? All guys will try it since they all want to win. Especially Javi since he is only getting older and this year GPF will be in his home soil. So if he wants any big title, it's this season and the next.Javi doesn't max out his BV as well as he can. He only attempts one triple axel and the triple he repeats is a 3S, not a 3A/3Z/3F, which is leaving about 1-2 points on the table. He also has only done one quad in his SP in the past (although people are saying he will try two this season).
Gachinski also doesn't max out his BV, particularly with his 2A+2A sequence which makes absolutely no sense. Its BV is 5.81 in the second half... compare that to 11.77 points for a 3Z-1Lo-3S. Gachinski could even do an easy 3T+2T and it would be worth more than a 2A-2A sequence. Gachinski also doesn't do a 3F or any quad or 3A in the 2nd half.
Javi doesn't max out his BV as well as he can. He only attempts one triple axel and the triple he repeats is a 3S, not a 3A/3Z/3F. Along with 2 quads in his SP, I'd also like to see him switch the 3S to a 3Z or something (it's also less risky should he triple one of his 4S and potentially Zayak his final 3S).
Gachinski also doesn't max out his BV, particularly with his 2A+2A sequence which makes absolutely no sense. Its BV is 5.81 in the second half... compare that to 11.77 points for a 3Z-1Lo-3S. Gachinski could even do an easy 3T+2T and it would be worth more than a 2A-2A sequence. Gachinski also doesn't do a 3F or any quad or 3A in the 2nd half.
That's sort of the point though. Three quads is EXHAUSTING (especially with one of them in the second half). Sure it would be great to do 2 3A, but I think it's smart to not force it. I do think his layout is dumb for zayaking reasons. Basically if he pops his second 3S and doesn't do another jump to replace the final 3S, he's toast (and that's exactly what happened at the Olympics).
I think Kurt Browning said (on CBC) that Javi would've had enough points to win bronze if only he'd done a freaking double salchow in place of his Zayak'd 3S? Anyway, I think Ten's SP was overscored... Javi deserved bronze even with his mistakes.
Same here, fingers cross for Javi to win big titles this season. :yay: if he is eager to land a new quad, like the loop or the luzt, then I hope he will do well and get the record!Here's hoping Fernandez is the first to land 5 quads. I hate how quad technicians get pigeon holed into being "technical skaters" and I love that Javi shows you can do both (and still have a solid program).
I mean next season. "Will try to do the same" doesn't ring a bell? All guys will try it since they all want to win. Especially Javi since he is not getting older and this year GPF will be in his home soil. So if he wants any big title, it's this season and the next.
I believe all the top guys can execute the hardest BV in practice. Like Javi can land 4 types of quads in practice. But the ability to bring it out in the competition is a different matter.
Lol, sorry I mean he is not getting any younger. if Javi's not getting older, I also want to know his secret, too.He's not getting older? What's his secret? I want some of whatever's making him not get older