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    Who will push the technical edge in Ladies FS?

    With Yuna kim confirmed retired and Asada and Kostner sitting out 2014 /15 (nicer way of saying retired?), which of the current batch of ladies do you think will be able to push the skating technical envelop?

    E.g.
    1. The next lady to land a ratified 3A in competition?
    2. The first lady to land a fully rotated quad jump under CoP?
    3. The skater who will triple loop off running three turns (aka Slutskaya, Kostner - I love that entrance)?
    4. Anyone crazy enough to go for a 3-3-3 jump layout in competition? (unlikely though cos the scores dun reward the difficulty)

    Let me know who in your opinion will be able to hit the next big jumps.

    My guess: 3A = Sotnikova or Tuk (if they fix their headcase issues); Quad = Radionova (I am not so sure of Julia Lip - her jumps are tiny, she depends too much on rotating fast but once she grows a bit more??)

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    Perhaps Miyabi Oba will successfully land her 3A in competition this season.
    I see she got a placement at Rostelecom Cup this year - her GP debut...

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    hmmmm difficult....

    1. Tuktamysheva. I heard Mirai is landing some as well, but I don´t know how it will work. Based on power shown on double axel, I would say Gracie and So Youn should give it a try.
    2. No one.... Okay, but if.... It would be Gracie I think.
    3. I hate loops, so I didn´t pay attention the last season...
    4. Again Gracie or maybe Yulia Lip and Adelina, though I can not see them fully rotated them, exept for Gracie...

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    I believe that girl will be Liza Tuk!!
    Adelina = I am not sure. Big question till next season.

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    Liza hopefully

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuan View Post
    hmmmm difficult....

    1. Tuktamysheva. I heard Mirai is landing some as well, but I don´t know how it will work. Based on power shown on double axel, I would say Gracie and So Youn should give it a try.

    is this a joke?

    her 2axel is worse than Julia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globetrotter View Post
    3. The skater who will triple loop off running three turns (aka Slutskaya, Kostner - I love that entrance)?
    Maybe I don't know what this means but hasn't Kiira Korpi done that for years in her SP?

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    Lets not forget Polina. She can jump and if she gains some muscle I wouldn't be surprised to see her get a 3a or eek out a quad.

    Gracie. None of the above. To me her jumps are diminishing and instead she will develop more into a SS and artistic skater as she ages. Nothing wrong with that but I fear her tech has maxed out and is going in the wrong direction.

    Yulia. Maybe a quad but it will be low and something weird like in combo 2a-4t? Who knows but if she gets determined enough look out...maybe a 4f even. I like her 3f and she gets it clean usually. Maybe not the first to do quads but I wouldn't count her out entirely. 3a

    Radinova. Until she hits a growth spurt I'm not sure anyone can guess her fate. Maybe a 3-3-3. She's got heart and is every bit as serious about this sport as anyone so if she puts her mind to it who knows. Her strength is artistic interpretation so she'll probably just try to skate clean and focus on her performance.

    Adelina. She is the most likely to get a 3a and has the power to get a 4t. Would anyone be surprised if she got both as soon as next season. Not me. Best jumper of the ladies left. OTOH I saw a video of her working on what appeared to be pairs skating. Wouldn't that be something.

    Liza. I didnt like the way her jumps looked last year. Maybe a 3a but she should just be focusing on skating clean programs at this point and working her way up the standings. Hopefully she has some magic left and proves me wrong. I love Liza and the way the last two years have unfolded jumpwise have made me quite sad.

    So Youn Park. Any thoughts? I'm undecided on her tech level or mostly uninformed.

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    Liza could bring a 3A to competition if she prepares herself mentally and physically, maybe Adelina since she has the big jumps and good athleticism, the 2A doesn't come off to me as her favourite jump though.The other Russian girls usually have the 2A as their weakest jump so I don't see it, jumps in general are unlikely for Yulia because I think she's one of the most worrisome to me. I've also heard that Miyabi Oba and Joshi Helgesson have tried the 3A before so I guess they're possibilities

    Radionova has done 3-3-3s in practice before but unless she gets another triple (or quad) it's kind of unlikely a woman to do it since it would use up so many triple at once. Not sure if it's worth it for them. I think we might start seeing a lot of 3-3-2s instead?

    Polina Edmunds I think has good technical content and could probably push the technical envelope too. Gracie I don't see her getting a quad and we all know her 2A is her most unreliable jump. So Youn Park has very sound jumps but she's young and it's a bit early to say since I only found her this year.

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    I don't think the 3A and quads are rewarded enough in the system to make it worth training the jumps. An athlete is far better off improving the component score by adding transitions and technical elements like spins. The scoring difference between a 3Lz and a 3A of 2.5 points can easily be made up by upgrading a couple of spins and improving PCS a bit.

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    The running threes into loop is not itself pushing the envelope, since Slutskaya did it almost 20 years ago and a number of skaters have done it since. Koster too.

    But, if someone were to aim for those kinds of entrances into most/all of the jumps,

    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    An athlete is far better off improving the component score by adding transitions and technical elements like spins.
    And that is another way of pushing the technical envelope.

    Although spins mainly contribute to TES where they have a cap that a number of skaters have already approached.



    For jump content, I would expect something like 3-3-3 combo to become common before quads or triple axels, since it's more a matter of improving technique (runout from the first two jumps), and less increasing the amount of time spent in the air, for which which most elite ladies have already maxed out their potential.

    If someone invents springier ice or springier skates or an affordable way to counteract gravity in Earth-based competitions, then we'll see more revolutions in the air become common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    OTOH I saw a video of her working on what appeared to be pairs skating. Wouldn't that be something.
    Yes it would be something. Do you have a link, sam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuan View Post
    Yes it would be something. Do you have a link, sam?
    Not sure if this will work or not. I've never lifted a video this way. I'm on my phone and it won't play for me due to flash player update needed

    http://vk.com/video16456855_16924430...43305849ed3872

    I'm sure it's just training or cross training if you will but it would be interesting to see her become a pairs skater after proving herself on the individual circuit. Not saying it will happen mind you. Just an interesting thought that came out of left field along with this video.

    I took it from this VK Fanpage. Scroll down if the link above won't work.

    http://vk.com/figureskater

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    Thank you! So its just normal training. Training in Russia seems to be fun I did not know about this portal. I found some other interesting practice videos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    Who is with Adelina?

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