1. Originally Posted by pohatta
If Gracie (or anyone without the 3A) does two 3-3 combinations, that leaves her two jumping passes with no triple. Is that an improvement?
Not sure why she will attempt such a layout. CoP's major flaw is it does not reward combinations sufficiently. Repeating 2 x 3T by tagging them at the backend of a combination is a lower BV. It may be better for her to stick to one 3Lz3T and go for a repeat 3Lz and repeat 3R (one in combination e.g. 3R2R). That leaves sufficient jumping passes for the other triples (wonky 3F, 3S) and a 2A that can be tagged as a 2-2-2 combo of 3 jumps which may be easier than her attempting the 2A3T since her 2A is wonky.

2. Originally Posted by Mathman
That's a good point. These two programs have exactly the same base value.

3Lz+3T
3Lz+3T
3F
3Lo
3S
2A+2Lo+2T
2A

3Lz+3T
3Lz
3F+2T
3F
3Lo
3S
2A+2Lo+2T
Your example also shows why 3-3 combos should be rewarded. Repeating a 3T at the tail end of a combo is difficult, but it means you did two (lower scoring) 3T's instead of a 3F or 3Lo that earn more points. You could make the second example even easier by swapping the +3T and the final +2Lo+2T, making a program with no 3-3 have the same BV as one with a 3Z-3T, a 3F-3T, and an extra 2A.

3. Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

3Z-3T
3Lo
2A-3T
3F
3Z-1/2 loop-3S
2A

4. Originally Posted by amc987
Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

3Z-3T
3Lo
2A-3T
3F
3Z-1/2 loop-3S
2A
You need one more jumping pass and you're out of jump options since you've maxed out on your triples (repeat 3Z/3T) and your 2As.

With any layout, you can do a max of 7 triples, regardless of the combination, if you are missing the 3A (but have the other triples) or don't have a quad.

5. ^ But you could tack on a 2Lz+2Lo+2T for your last jumping pass and pick up an extra 5.72 points (with second half bonus)!

6. Not in the above example since there are already 3 combos. One of those 3 would have a 2T tacked on it with the changes to jump rules...

7. Originally Posted by mskater93
Not in the above example since there are already 3 combos. One of those 3 would have a 2T tacked on it with the changes to jump rules...
The 3Z-1/2 loop-3S is already a 3 jump combo, so it would just have to be a solo 2Lz.

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