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Originally Posted by pohatta
If Gracie (or anyone without the 3A) does two 3-3 combinations, that leaves her two jumping passes with no triple. Is that an improvement?
Not sure why she will attempt such a layout. CoP's major flaw is it does not reward combinations sufficiently. Repeating 2 x 3T by tagging them at the backend of a combination is a lower BV. It may be better for her to stick to one 3Lz3T and go for a repeat 3Lz and repeat 3R (one in combination e.g. 3R2R). That leaves sufficient jumping passes for the other triples (wonky 3F, 3S) and a 2A that can be tagged as a 2-2-2 combo of 3 jumps which may be easier than her attempting the 2A3T since her 2A is wonky.

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Originally Posted by Mathman
That's a good point. These two programs have exactly the same base value.

3Lz+3T
3Lz+3T
3F
3Lo
3S
2A+2Lo+2T
2A

3Lz+3T
3Lz
3F+2T
3F
3Lo
3S
2A+2Lo+2T
Your example also shows why 3-3 combos should be rewarded. Repeating a 3T at the tail end of a combo is difficult, but it means you did two (lower scoring) 3T's instead of a 3F or 3Lo that earn more points. You could make the second example even easier by swapping the +3T and the final +2Lo+2T, making a program with no 3-3 have the same BV as one with a 3Z-3T, a 3F-3T, and an extra 2A.

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Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

3Z-3T
3Lo
2A-3T
3F
3Z-1/2 loop-3S
2A

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Originally Posted by amc987
Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

3Z-3T
3Lo
2A-3T
3F
3Z-1/2 loop-3S
2A
You need one more jumping pass and you're out of jump options since you've maxed out on your triples (repeat 3Z/3T) and your 2As.

With any layout, you can do a max of 7 triples, regardless of the combination, if you are missing the 3A (but have the other triples) or don't have a quad.

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^ But you could tack on a 2Lz+2Lo+2T for your last jumping pass and pick up an extra 5.72 points (with second half bonus)!

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Not in the above example since there are already 3 combos. One of those 3 would have a 2T tacked on it with the changes to jump rules...

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Originally Posted by mskater93
Not in the above example since there are already 3 combos. One of those 3 would have a 2T tacked on it with the changes to jump rules...
The 3Z-1/2 loop-3S is already a 3 jump combo, so it would just have to be a solo 2Lz.

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Originally Posted by amc987
Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

3Z-3T
3Lo
2A-3T
3F
3Z-1/2 loop-3S
2A
Theoretically, yes, but it honestly looks to me (through ice show clips) that she's been struggling with her 2A...

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Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
The 3Z-1/2 loop-3S is already a 3 jump combo, so it would just have to be a solo 2Lz.
Not with the latest jump rules it's not.

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I think Polina Edmunds could but won't try. She's got all the main jumps time for artistry is american thinking.

Them combo inventiveness is comig from Russia but they aren't doing anything with 3a.

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For those super-savvy COP people, I've got a question:

With the 3T, you can tack it onto the end of two other jumps in the FS: people do 3Lz-3T and 2A-3T

Could you do the same with another triple, like a 3F?

For example:
3Lz-3T
3F
2A
3Lz
3F-2A SEQ
3S
3L-2T-2L

You repeat the lutz and flip, both done solo and then in combination. Is this a valid layout?

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Yes, that is valid.

The caveat is that the 3F+2A+SEQ is only worth 80% of the value of 3F and 2A.

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Originally Posted by kwanatic
For those super-savvy COP people, I've got a question:

With the 3T, you can tack it onto the end of two other jumps in the FS: people do 3Lz-3T and 2A-3T

Could you do the same with another triple, like a 3F?

For example:
3Lz-3T
3F
2A
3Lz
3F-2A SEQ
3S
3L-2T-2L

You repeat the lutz and flip, both done solo and then in combination. Is this a valid layout?
Yeah, it's valid, but it's kind-of pointless because of the sequence deduction. Your jump layout has a BV of 43.98 (not accounting for any half-time bonuses) whereas a "standard" layout like,

3Lz + 3T
2A + 3T
3Lo + 2T + 2Lo
3S
3Lz
3F
2A

Has a BV of 44.50.

2A + 3Lo is the jump I'd imagine most girls would want (or any combination w/ a loop on the end of it) so you could do 2 triple loops.

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Originally Posted by gkelly
Yes, that is valid.

The caveat is that the 3F+2A+SEQ is only worth 80% of the value of 3F and 2A.
Does that make a 3F-2R a higher scoring combo?

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Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
Does that make a 3F-2R a higher scoring combo?

3F + 2A SEQ = (5.3 + 3.3)*0.8 = 6.88

3F + 2Lo = 5.3 + 1.8 = 7.10

3F + 2T = 5.3 + 1.3 = 6.60

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