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    Quote Originally Posted by pohatta View Post
    If Gracie (or anyone without the 3A) does two 3-3 combinations, that leaves her two jumping passes with no triple. Is that an improvement?
    Not sure why she will attempt such a layout. CoP's major flaw is it does not reward combinations sufficiently. Repeating 2 x 3T by tagging them at the backend of a combination is a lower BV. It may be better for her to stick to one 3Lz3T and go for a repeat 3Lz and repeat 3R (one in combination e.g. 3R2R). That leaves sufficient jumping passes for the other triples (wonky 3F, 3S) and a 2A that can be tagged as a 2-2-2 combo of 3 jumps which may be easier than her attempting the 2A3T since her 2A is wonky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    That's a good point. These two programs have exactly the same base value.

    3Lz+3T
    3Lz+3T
    3F
    3Lo
    3S
    2A+2Lo+2T
    2A

    3Lz+3T
    3Lz
    3F+2T
    3F
    3Lo
    3S
    2A+2Lo+2T
    Your example also shows why 3-3 combos should be rewarded. Repeating a 3T at the tail end of a combo is difficult, but it means you did two (lower scoring) 3T's instead of a 3F or 3Lo that earn more points. You could make the second example even easier by swapping the +3T and the final +2Lo+2T, making a program with no 3-3 have the same BV as one with a 3Z-3T, a 3F-3T, and an extra 2A.

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    Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

    3Z-3T
    3Lo
    2A-3T
    3F
    3Z-1/2 loop-3S
    2A

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    Quote Originally Posted by amc987 View Post
    Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

    3Z-3T
    3Lo
    2A-3T
    3F
    3Z-1/2 loop-3S
    2A
    You need one more jumping pass and you're out of jump options since you've maxed out on your triples (repeat 3Z/3T) and your 2As.

    With any layout, you can do a max of 7 triples, regardless of the combination, if you are missing the 3A (but have the other triples) or don't have a quad.

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    ^ But you could tack on a 2Lz+2Lo+2T for your last jumping pass and pick up an extra 5.72 points (with second half bonus)!

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    Not in the above example since there are already 3 combos. One of those 3 would have a 2T tacked on it with the changes to jump rules...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Not in the above example since there are already 3 combos. One of those 3 would have a 2T tacked on it with the changes to jump rules...
    The 3Z-1/2 loop-3S is already a 3 jump combo, so it would just have to be a solo 2Lz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amc987 View Post
    Might this make sense for Gracie to do?

    3Z-3T
    3Lo
    2A-3T
    3F
    3Z-1/2 loop-3S
    2A
    Theoretically, yes, but it honestly looks to me (through ice show clips) that she's been struggling with her 2A...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    The 3Z-1/2 loop-3S is already a 3 jump combo, so it would just have to be a solo 2Lz.
    Not with the latest jump rules it's not.

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    I think Polina Edmunds could but won't try. She's got all the main jumps time for artistry is american thinking.

    Them combo inventiveness is comig from Russia but they aren't doing anything with 3a.

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    For those super-savvy COP people, I've got a question:

    With the 3T, you can tack it onto the end of two other jumps in the FS: people do 3Lz-3T and 2A-3T

    Could you do the same with another triple, like a 3F?

    For example:
    3Lz-3T
    3F
    2A
    3Lz
    3F-2A SEQ
    3S
    3L-2T-2L

    You repeat the lutz and flip, both done solo and then in combination. Is this a valid layout?

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    Yes, that is valid.

    The caveat is that the 3F+2A+SEQ is only worth 80% of the value of 3F and 2A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    For those super-savvy COP people, I've got a question:

    With the 3T, you can tack it onto the end of two other jumps in the FS: people do 3Lz-3T and 2A-3T

    Could you do the same with another triple, like a 3F?

    For example:
    3Lz-3T
    3F
    2A
    3Lz
    3F-2A SEQ
    3S
    3L-2T-2L

    You repeat the lutz and flip, both done solo and then in combination. Is this a valid layout?
    Yeah, it's valid, but it's kind-of pointless because of the sequence deduction. Your jump layout has a BV of 43.98 (not accounting for any half-time bonuses) whereas a "standard" layout like,

    3Lz + 3T
    2A + 3T
    3Lo + 2T + 2Lo
    3S
    3Lz
    3F
    2A

    Has a BV of 44.50.

    2A + 3Lo is the jump I'd imagine most girls would want (or any combination w/ a loop on the end of it) so you could do 2 triple loops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Yes, that is valid.

    The caveat is that the 3F+2A+SEQ is only worth 80% of the value of 3F and 2A.
    Does that make a 3F-2R a higher scoring combo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Does that make a 3F-2R a higher scoring combo?

    3F + 2A SEQ = (5.3 + 3.3)*0.8 = 6.88

    3F + 2Lo = 5.3 + 1.8 = 7.10

    3F + 2T = 5.3 + 1.3 = 6.60

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