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    Quote Originally Posted by BusyMom View Post
    Midori Ito did 10 2As in a row when she was young. Surreal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sns1G0OdtBo
    And the height she gets on some of them! When she was at her best, she skated with so much exuberance -- I loved that about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatedreamer View Post
    And the height she gets on some of them! When she was at her best, she skated with so much exuberance -- I loved that about her.
    She still jumps extremely high now, for a 44 years old skater! I mean, can we name Midori Ito the demi-god of jumping!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    She still jumps extremely high now, for a 44 years old skater! I mean, can we name Midori Ito the demi-god of jumping!
    I second that

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    To break curse of K and push technical edge, one contestant is not enough. There should be more than one challenger and dreamer from more than one countries, or she shall be insulted, mocked and disgraced by corrupt judges. This is insight from sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pec0 View Post
    To break curse of K and push technical edge, one contestant is not enough. There should be more than one challenger and dreamer from more than one countries, or she shall be insulted, mocked and disgraced by corrupt judges. This is insight from sochi.
    Can you PLEASE STOP!!!!!! seriously some Yuna fans never forget, and some of her rivals' fans never forget, too. I am fed up with you guys. just stop! You guys are not children!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meoima View Post
    Can you PLEASE STOP!!!!!! seriously some Yuna fans never forget, and some of her rivals' fans never forget, too. I am fed up with you guys. just stop! You guys are not children!
    I think she is a child

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    We're already in the era of 7 triples. Ladies with anything less than that won't be treated as top skaters. Chan heralded the new quad era for men. Men have no option to avoid the quad to compete at the top. So are ladies. At the time of Vancouver Olympics, four ladies had 7 triples programs (Rochette, Suzuki, Leonova, Flatt). At Sochi, it was ... more than 12. They don't have an option to omit jumps which they are not good at. The 7 triples era for ladies was not opened by Sotnikova alone. This tide is irreversible. When everyone is doing 7 triples, something extra is necessary to lead the pack.

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    Im not a child. Im not good at English. Japanese people are not good at English. Sorry..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    We're already in the era of 7 triples. Ladies with anything less than that won't be treated as top skaters. Chan heralded the new quad era for men. Men have no option to avoid the quad to compete at the top. So are ladies. At the time of Vancouver Olympics, four ladies had 7 triples programs (Rochette, Suzuki, Leonova, Flatt). At Sochi, it was ... more than 12. They don't have an option to omit jumps which they are not good at. The 7 triples era for ladies was not opened by Sotnikova alone. This tide is irreversible. When everyone is doing 7 triples, something extra is necessary to lead the pack.
    Umm... Chan didn't bring the quad to men's skating, and the Russian ladies didn't bring in the 7-triple LP. The quad was pushed by Stojko back in the '90s, and the 7-triple LP by Michelle Kwan and her contemporaries (Kurt and Midori, respectively, did the elements first, but they didn't really inspire other skaters in their own era to do the same). The number of Olympic quads landed still hasn't surpassed SLC.

    Quad and seven triples got pushed back under COP because with the way points worked, you could win without them. Also, a variety of factors led to people being successful without quad/seven triples: the quad guys--Lambiel and Joubert--struggled somewhat after Torino, leaving the door open for quadless guys like Buttle, Lysacek, and even Chan himself to set the anti-quad trend. Yuna was a GOE and 3-3 phenomenon, making up for her lack of a loop. The quad and 7-triple LP came back after the fallout from Vancouver (quad's value raised, GOE becomes less of a factor). All Chan and the Russian ladies did was follow the trend, since they wanted to win. They certainly weren't the ones to create the rule changes. The quad and 7-triple LP were going to come back, no matter who led the charge.

    EDIT: In fact, I'd argue the 7-triple LP never really left. Yuna was just an exception, due to her unmatched jump quality and 3-3s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    We're already in the era of 7 triples. Ladies with anything less than that won't be treated as top skaters. Chan heralded the new quad era for men. Men have no option to avoid the quad to compete at the top. So are ladies. At the time of Vancouver Olympics, four ladies had 7 triples programs (Rochette, Suzuki, Leonova, Flatt). At Sochi, it was ... more than 12. They don't have an option to omit jumps which they are not good at. The 7 triples era for ladies was not opened by Sotnikova alone. This tide is irreversible. When everyone is doing 7 triples, something extra is necessary to lead the pack.
    And yet, Yuna never placed off the podium with her 6 triple programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    Umm... Chan didn't bring the quad to men's skating, and the Russian ladies didn't bring in the 7-triple LP.
    As you full well know I am no Chan fan, but I would have to agree he brought the quad back in mens skating, or atleast as a must to win. It was only 6 months before Chan's 2-3 year dominance of the sport began that Evan Lysacek, a skater without even exceptional artistry, super quality jumps, or exceptional spins or footwork, won Olympic gold without a quad. The mens competition in Vancouver was dire, with barely any successful quads, and the few that were made by skaters with empty programs, with an old and way past his prime Plushenko the best of that small lot. Chan a skater with top notch skating skills, very good (and overmarked) artistry, excellent footwork, and reasonable spins, putting quads into his program, ensured such a thing would never happen again. A skater of his caliber doing quads, meant others now had to do quads to even stand a chance of winning. Chan did bring the quad back to mens skating, and make it a must to hope to win mens events again. Now the field has thankfully turned the page on the fall happy Chan and made it so you not only need quads, but need to avoid falling 3 or more times per program and winning, so we have taken the next step to restoring mens skating yet again, but Chan did lead the way to the first one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    As you full well know I am no Chan fan, but I would have to agree he brought the quad back in mens skating, or atleast as a must to win. It was only 6 months before Chan's 2-3 year dominance of the sport began that Evan Lysacek, a skater without even exceptional artistry, super quality jumps, or exceptional spins or footwork, won Olympic gold without a quad. The mens competition in Vancouver was dire, with barely any successful quads, and the few that were made by skaters with empty programs, with an old and way past his prime Plushenko the best of that small lot. Chan a skater with top notch skating skills, very good (and overmarked) artistry, excellent footwork, and reasonable spins, putting quads into his program, ensured such a thing would never happen again. A skater of his caliber doing quads, meant others now had to do quads to even stand a chance of winning. Chan did bring the quad back to mens skating, and make it a must to hope to win mens events again. Now the field has thankfully turned the page on the fall happy Chan and made it so you not only need quads, but need to avoid falling 3 or more times per program and winning, so we have taken the next step to restoring mens skating yet again, but Chan did lead the way to the first one.
    Yes and now thanks to Patrick we get the Mens event in Sochi which had everyone trying quads and falling on their asses in one of the worst Mens competition in Olympic history. Not sure that is progress either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Yes and now thanks to Patrick we get the Mens event in Sochi which had everyone trying quads and falling on their asses in one of the worst Mens competition in Olympic history. Not sure that is progress either.
    It is the seeds of progress. I am glad as heck the quad is a must to win now, especialy for a non special type skater like Evan. I would have rather the Sochi mess than the horror of something like a quadless Lysacek winning again. Once he saw in his comeback delayed by injuries, he would not be able to get the quad back he didnt even bother going to Nationals, as he knew without the quad there was no hope for him, even in a splatty event like Sochi. Thank goodness for that. As with all seeds there growing pains before the blooming. Mens skating, especialy the technical side, reached such a dark low in Vancouver, it wont perk back up overnight, but the re-infusion of the quad was the start, and a mens event at worlds almost devoid of falls by the medalists and top skaters after years of Chan splatty wins was the next step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    It is the seeds of progress. I am glad as heck the quad is a must to win now, especialy for a non special type skater like Evan. I would have rather the Sochi mess than the horror of something like a quadless Lysacek winning again. Once he saw in his comeback delayed by injuries, he would not be able to get the quad back he didnt even bother going to Nationals, as he knew without the quad there was no hope for him, even in a splatty event like Sochi. Thank goodness for that. As with all seeds there growing pains before the blooming. Mens skating, especialy the technical side, reached such a dark low in Vancouver, it wont perk back up overnight, but the re-infusion of the quad was the start, and a mens event at worlds almost devoid of falls by the medalists and top skaters after years of Chan splatty wins was the next step.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Yes and now thanks to Patrick we get the Mens event in Sochi which had everyone trying quads and falling on their asses in one of the worst Mens competition in Olympic history. Not sure that is progress either.
    As well as world 2014... that was arguably the best male competition of the last 8 year...

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