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    V/T will keep winning everything as long as they remain injury-free and motivated. I don't see S/K as being huge threats even though they beat S/S in Sochi (due to S/S's own mistakes). Chinese pairs could challenge with their high-flying quad elements, but it's a big "if" in terms of how successful they are at those. Savchenko/Massot looked promising in the videos, but they need to sort out their finances/representation problems.

    Ice dance will probably be W/P and B/S for a season (I don't think C/L are going to win Worlds again...). But I can see B/S being overtaken by the new Russian teams in a year or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    V/T will keep winning everything as long as they remain injury-free and motivated. I don't see S/K as being huge threats even though they beat S/S in Sochi (due to S/S's own mistakes). Chinese pairs could challenge with their high-flying quad elements, but it's a big "if" in terms of how successful they are at those. Savchenko/Massot looked promising in the videos, but they need to sort out their finances/representation problems.

    Ice dance will probably be W/P and B/S for a season (I don't think C/L are going to win Worlds again...). But I can see B/S being overtaken by the new Russian teams in a year or two.
    Pretty much agree with all that. If I had to guess now I would say the world dance podium might end up something like W&P gold, B&S silver, C&L bronze (although could see B&S as gold or lower than silver, and could see C&L as high as silver), but after this year B&S will probably slide down as they lose Russian #1 status, and C&L will probably bind it hard medaling past 2016 at the latest should they stay in. W&P are the only one of those three I see as probable contenders for 2018.

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    This is out there but ... Tobias & Tkachenko for Israel. He was formerly half of a Russian #3 team, got to worlds and Euros and performed decently. She's better than her last partner and given her determination to get citizenship just for the 2014 Olympics (the language test and all the bureaucracy!), with the right partner maybe it could work. As I said: it's out there ... but not impossible?

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    They are representing Isreal. A tiny federation with no power in the sport. I know one might reference Chait & Shaknovsky being so overscored in the early 2000s, but that was her mobster dad, and nothing to do with the federation IMO. The Russian fed. also wont want one of their former own doing particularly well, and as we saw in Sochi the Russian fed power is as vast and deep as ever (even if not as strong off home turf).

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    I'm amazed that people think K/S are going to be a factor again. Between their age, history of freak mistakes and injuries and coming back from a major injury, I think they'll be lucky to get through the season in one piece let alone contend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flutzy13 View Post
    I'm amazed that people think K/S are going to be a factor again. Between their age, history of freak mistakes and injuries and coming back from a major injury, I think they'll be lucky to get through the season in one piece let alone contend.
    Yes I agree. They might make the Russian world team as the #3 team (key word "might") but even that will be a big challenge, and that we are even considering that possible probably just means the Russian #3 wont be a medal contender for worlds. They weren't even competitive anymore with a team like Duhamel & Radford when they last competed, and I expect D&R to only be one of many teams shooting for no higher than a bronze at worlds this year realistically.

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    Gabriella Papadakis posted on Instagram about leaving Lyon. Seems that she is moving to Montreal. I take that to mean Papadakis/Cizeron are following Romain Haguenauer in his move to join Marie-France Dubreuil/Patrice Lauzon's school?

    I would very much like to see Papadakis/Cizeron and Hurtado/Diaz push each other as training mates to climb the rankings so we can have a full-fledged Montreal vs. Detroit rivalry by 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    They are representing Isreal. A tiny federation with no power in the sport. I know one might reference Chait & Shaknovsky being so overscored in the early 2000s, but that was her mobster dad, and nothing to do with the federation IMO. The Russian fed. also wont want one of their former own doing particularly well, and as we saw in Sochi the Russian fed power is as vast and deep as ever (even if not as strong off home turf).
    Er ... this is all news to me. I'm intrigued. Had no idea about Galit Chait (back then I watched the Olympics, Euros and Worlds but didn't follow the gossip). Fill me in?

    Yes we did see that Russian skating fed is very powerful, and you make a good point that perhaps they won't want to let people think that they let Tkachenko go, to their detriment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    Er ... this is all news to me. I'm intrigued. Had no idea about Galit Chait (back then I watched the Olympics, Euros and Worlds but didn't follow the gossip). Fill me in?

    Yes we did see that Russian skating fed is very powerful, and you make a good point that perhaps they won't want to let people think that they let Tkachenko go, to their detriment.
    I believe Ziggy's article spells everything there is to know about the scandal. L/A were one of the only couples to not have signed the petition against C/S as to not taint their well-deserved WC win.
    http://www.oocities.org/ziggyonice/scandal.html

    C/S are the couple who skates with an amazing speed but lacks the proper technique. They use toepicks insted of edges (in contrary to D/V) and because of that they gain so much speed. But their edges are not so deep as Lithuanians', they don't get down into the ice as they should.
    This sounds eerily similar even now in 2014 but of a different couple

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda View Post
    Gabriella Papadakis posted on Instagram about leaving Lyon. Seems that she is moving to Montreal. I take that to mean Papadakis/Cizeron are following Romain Haguenauer in his move to join Marie-France Dubreuil/Patrice Lauzon's school?

    I would very much like to see Papadakis/Cizeron and Hurtado/Diaz push each other as training mates to climb the rankings so we can have a full-fledged Montreal vs. Detroit rivalry by 2018.
    Now that would be lovely. I believe that Didier has been pressuring them to go to one of the Detroit rinks, but I think that would kill their unique style. And the top French ID teams have, for quite some time, been all about a unique--if not downright eccentric--style. It is what makes them so enjoyable to watch. I would hate to see them subjected to a cookie cutter Detroit routine. And an interrink rivalry between P/C and H/D could really be interesting. Lord knows they are two of the most interesting teams currently competing.

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    Definitely seems they are going to Montreal: http://instagram.com/p/qUTUTwy0fI/

    I agree, this is the best news I have heard about them - think Montreal will be a better fit for them than Detroit. Really hope they continue to turn out their style of creative programs.

    I love P/C so. I'm thinking of making a fan fest thread for them...

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    I think I'm singing "Oh, Canada!" for ice dance. I'm a big fan of Weaver and Poje and Gilles and Poirier really grew on me last year with the Hitchcock theme. I still don't quite understand if Pechalat and Bourezat are still in the competitive running. Yes? If so, they obviously have a chance at the podium and maybe the top. But Fabien seems prone to injury and Nathalie's lower lip gorws in to a pout when she doesn't win. They may be past their prime. And I suppose world champs Capellinni and Lanotte are a factor but, again, I think they bed past their apex and should enjoy the benefits of champs and go sell some pasta or skate in shows. The Russians are a mess and complete unkn owns. Such drama! Chock/Bates are good but I'd really like to see the Shibs have a come-back year. Other than the gold medalists, the pairs are another mess. I suppose this "musical chairs" of partners happens after an Olympics but it is discouraging to see good partners split. Samuelson and Bates could have been world champions this year if they had stuck it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt K View Post
    I believe Ziggy's article spells everything there is to know about the scandal. L/A were one of the only couples to not have signed the petition against C/S as to not taint their well-deserved WC win.
    http://www.oocities.org/ziggyonice/scandal.html


    This sounds eerily similar even now in 2014 but of a different couple
    WOAH!! That is a whopper of an article I never knew about. C/S did well that season including winning bronze at worlds over D/V. Thanks for that link, had no idea how matter-of-fact even the skaters (allegedly) take all the behind-the-scenes politicking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anyanka View Post
    Er ... this is all news to me. I'm intrigued. Had no idea about Galit Chait (back then I watched the Olympics, Euros and Worlds but didn't follow the gossip). Fill me in?

    Yes we did see that Russian skating fed is very powerful, and you make a good point that perhaps they won't want to let people think that they let Tkachenko go, to their detriment.
    I remember the days after the dance event first hearing about the petition signed by all but 2 of the teams of C&S's bronze medal win. The next couple days were even more alarming though, as there were reports of her mobster father (I never knew anything about him before this point) crashing the party and threatening to kill people. People like Alexander Zhulin did a lengthy interview talking about the scene. That is also when stories began circulating many of their questionable scores and placings since 2000 were due to him. Their rankings slid downwards the remainder of their career despite improving a lot. At the 2006 Olympics, in a field iin which every single team was below them back in 2002, they finished 9th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider11 View Post
    I think I'm singing "Oh, Canada!" for ice dance. I'm a big fan of Weaver and Poje and Gilles and Poirier really grew on me last year with the Hitchcock theme. I still don't quite understand if Pechalat and Bourezat are still in the competitive running. Yes? If so, they obviously have a chance at the podium and maybe the top. But Fabien seems prone to injury and Nathalie's lower lip gorws in to a pout when she doesn't win. They may be past their prime. And I suppose world champs Capellinni and Lanotte are a factor but, again, I think they bed past their apex and should enjoy the benefits of champs and go sell some pasta or skate in shows. The Russians are a mess and complete unkn owns. Such drama! Chock/Bates are good but I'd really like to see the Shibs have a come-back year. Other than the gold medalists, the pairs are another mess. I suppose this "musical chairs" of partners happens after an Olympics but it is discouraging to see good partners split. Samuelson and Bates could have been world champions this year if they had stuck it out.
    P/B are retiring from competition so they are out of the running.

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