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And it looked so easy. What a pity for him...
It was BEAUTIFUL! Wow. I've never seen him before. I'm a fan.
And it looked so easy. What a pity for him...
Many of Chinese male skaters have a solid jump techniques. I have seen a few of them (but not Chengjiang Li unfortunately). Haijun Gao is one of the best coach in China in my opinion. Not so sure why he has no skaters in the current team.Agree. I had the pleasure of seeing this jump many times in person.
The explosive height, distance, tightness of rotation made this the perfect 4T. His 4S was more technically correct that Goebel's, too.
Just a something I've been thinking about...
Does anyone think about Hanyu's body type and how it affects his jumps? I think he has beautiful jumps in general, and I do think it has a lot to do with his thin frame. Bad comparison, but doesn't he have a similar body to a pre-pubescent kid, basically slim all around, which according to some people is much easier to get a quick rotation going? For that reason, I've always thought that Hanyu had an advantage in his jumps. I find his jumps look "easy" because they are so smooth as opposed to say, Javier's which I find has more power. In that respect, I have a feeling Hanyu might be one of the best jumpers of all time. This is not any sort of fan fawning, but just a prediction based on what he has, which includes a good coach, talent, motivation, strong legs, and a thin frame.
Your thoughts?
Transitions are a bullet point for jumps, so obviously skaters ARE lauded for transitions - obviously a skater wouldn't be lauded for the fall/screwed up part of the jump... they'd be lauded for the entry.
The point I'm making is, if you have skaters all with strong quads (Hanyu/Chan/Plushenko), then one variable to look at as to who has the best quad toe is their ability to do transitions before it.
Except that surely even you would agree that it's a black mark against the scoring of our sport that Chan can wipe the ice with his backside on the quad and still only get -2 or -1 GOE because of the transitions.
Except that surely even you would agree that it's a black mark against the scoring of our sport that Chan can wipe the ice with his backside on the quad and still only get -2 or -1 GOE because of the transitions.
This may not seem so to everyone, but I find it a little odd that both Gracie and the Asadas are skating to Let It Go. Especially considering who runs the show, wouldn't it have been the thing to do for Gracie to skate one of her other programs? Even if just to give the audience some variety?
Fantastic, he was one of my favourites as a kid. Too bad he couldn't medal at Worlds, his quad salchow is also very good. He's currently coaching in China and I believe he's one of Zijun Li's coaches.Li Chengjiang... pure jumping technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGRFHRF--cs
Many of Chinese male skaters have a solid jump techniques. I have seen a few of them (but not Chengjiang Li unfortunately). Haijun Gao is one of the best coach in China in my opinion. Not so sure why he has no skaters in the current team.
Their problems are more the artistic sides I suppose. Some Chinese skaters seem uncomfortable interpreting the music. They need to fix their blank expression. Han Yan and Nan Song are getting better in the resent competition though.
I actually think the Chinese skaters would have dominated the 80's and 90's where the "style" was to be more rigid and not as emotionally expressive, and it was more about being technically impressive.
Except that surely even you would agree that it's a black mark against the scoring of our sport that Chan can wipe the ice with his backside on the quad and still only get -2 or -1 GOE because of the transitions.
So..they practically missed that train. But I still have high hope for them. At least Men skating is rely on the quad jumps now more than ever. They need to up their SS to fight for the podium at least.
Fernandez might struggle under 6.0 due to being from Spain, but on the other hand, he is a much, much better performer than any of the Chinese skaters or Kovtun, and will likely get credit on the second mark.
I don't particularly feel like skaters should be lauded for "trying" a difficult entry unless they actually land the jump. Maybe somewhat lauded for trying an altogether more difficult jump (quad loop, flip, lutz, ect.), but even then I wouldn't be very impressed if they tried it all season and kept falling.
Anyway, entry is probably on the lowest rung for me in terms of considering jumps. That's what the "transitions" mark is for. I still think Viktor Petrenko, Ilia Kulik, and Brian Boitano had some of the best 3As out there, even if their entries were fairly basic by current standards. On the other hand, Fadeev flew into all his jumps with zero preparation, but I wouldn't say he had the best jumps thanks to aspects of the jump itself, plus his lower consistency (not his fault, considering the injuries, but still).
I will laud skaters for landing a jump with a difficult transition. :yes: All else being equal, of course (because no one's going to convince me that Fadeev and Goebel had the best 3As of their generation).
Well, at the end of the day, nobody is "wrong" about whose quad toe they prefer. Hanyu, Plushenko, Chan, Goebel... all perfectly respectable choices. I'm a bit about the votes for Sandhu and Stojko, but whatever floats your boat.