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Re: Style Reversals in Programs
the idea of the kind of compulsory program that you are all talking about is strange.
A compulsory program already exists - it's called the short program.
why have TWO technical programs and only one long program? it makes no sense. Especially for those fans of presentation vs. jumping.
it's just an example of too much nit-picking.... judges can see who has good edge control and who doesn't just through the skating alone. they don't need special choreography to compare move to move. a good skater with good basics and good edges will be obvious.
If you want to compare edge and body control, bring back figures.
a special program created to showcase certain skills for comparison will inevitably favor some skating styles over others....
the short program as it is lets the skaters showcase their best elements (in their minds) with room to skate the way they like to skate. this alone is enough to differentiate the skaters in a technical sense.
And not every skater at that level should be able to do a triple lutz... the triple lutz for the ladies is like the quad for the men.... the top skaters can do it and that's that. So I wouldn't knock a skater who can "only" go up through the triple flip.... a short program with a triple flip can be just as good as a program with a lutz.... it all depends on quality. that's why there is room to choose!
Every day there is something on this forum about not wanting to see a "splat fest"... well if you make certain moves mandatory, then that's what you will have.
I also see a lot of "jumping that much leads to injury" and "skaters get injured because they try 3/3's" and other comments of the sort in this forum....
a compulsory program to practice with 5 triples, along with a short program and a long program to practice - you talk about injuries! it would be safer to train a 3/3 than to put your body through all that every day!
The only thing in skating that can honestly be compared move for move is jumping and spinning - moves with standard positions and technique that do not vary from skater to skater. hence the short program
you cannot compare a set spiral sequence between two skaters that skate differently.... something like a spiral sequence is more than the sum of its parts.... it also has to do with the music and steps and the feeling the skater has toward the movement.
For example, skater A may have more power through the sequence with more speed and flow.... while skater B may have better body position and edging.... so skater A's sequence isn't better or worse than skater B's sequence.... just different. so the comparison would be voided and the sequences would cancel each other out.
the idea of the kind of compulsory program that you are all talking about is strange.
A compulsory program already exists - it's called the short program.
why have TWO technical programs and only one long program? it makes no sense. Especially for those fans of presentation vs. jumping.
it's just an example of too much nit-picking.... judges can see who has good edge control and who doesn't just through the skating alone. they don't need special choreography to compare move to move. a good skater with good basics and good edges will be obvious.
If you want to compare edge and body control, bring back figures.
a special program created to showcase certain skills for comparison will inevitably favor some skating styles over others....
the short program as it is lets the skaters showcase their best elements (in their minds) with room to skate the way they like to skate. this alone is enough to differentiate the skaters in a technical sense.
And not every skater at that level should be able to do a triple lutz... the triple lutz for the ladies is like the quad for the men.... the top skaters can do it and that's that. So I wouldn't knock a skater who can "only" go up through the triple flip.... a short program with a triple flip can be just as good as a program with a lutz.... it all depends on quality. that's why there is room to choose!
Every day there is something on this forum about not wanting to see a "splat fest"... well if you make certain moves mandatory, then that's what you will have.
I also see a lot of "jumping that much leads to injury" and "skaters get injured because they try 3/3's" and other comments of the sort in this forum....
a compulsory program to practice with 5 triples, along with a short program and a long program to practice - you talk about injuries! it would be safer to train a 3/3 than to put your body through all that every day!
The only thing in skating that can honestly be compared move for move is jumping and spinning - moves with standard positions and technique that do not vary from skater to skater. hence the short program
you cannot compare a set spiral sequence between two skaters that skate differently.... something like a spiral sequence is more than the sum of its parts.... it also has to do with the music and steps and the feeling the skater has toward the movement.
For example, skater A may have more power through the sequence with more speed and flow.... while skater B may have better body position and edging.... so skater A's sequence isn't better or worse than skater B's sequence.... just different. so the comparison would be voided and the sequences would cancel each other out.