2014 Junior Men FP JGP Ljublijana Cup

TMC · Aug 29, 2014

Meoima said:
Not just a little. I mean his PCS is quite high, at least to me. :scowl: watching his Lp was uncomfortable to me. I like Petrov much better! He has better presentation.

Well, with a quad and 3a in 2nd half you don't need much presentation apparently.

ETA even though I like him a lot, I wouldn't have given much over 60 myself...

Meoima · Aug 29, 2014

TMC said:
Well, with a quad and 3a in 2nd half you don't need much presentation apparently.

I like jump very much but there must be some limit to poor presentation.

TMC · Aug 29, 2014

Meoima said:
I like jump very much but there must be some limit to poor presentation.

I agree, I don't understand how PCS goes up when you get jumps even though the actual skills/presentation haven't improved. I remember Kori Ade telling a story of how she'd asked some judges about Jason's PCS and why they weren't getting better...she was just bluntly told he'd get the points once he got his triple axel. Errrrrr....?

LRK · Aug 29, 2014

I've not got any sound now. Anyone else having this problem?

ETA - It's okay now. I clicked on full screen - and suddenly I had sound! Mysterious... but whatever, so long as it's working.

Meoima · Aug 29, 2014

TMC said:
I agree, I don't understand how PCS goes up when you get jumps even though the actual skills/presentation haven't improved. I remember Kori Ade telling a story of how she'd asked some judges about Jason's PCS and why they weren't getting better...she was just bluntly told he'd get the points once he got his triple axel. Errrrrr....?

ah....this is so unfair for skaters who have trained months and years for better presentation and basic skills.

TMC · Aug 29, 2014

Has Shotaro changed his music?

TMC · Aug 29, 2014

If Shotaro doesn't get 65 PCS I'm gonna rage flip my laptop

Mrs. P · Aug 29, 2014

Aw not a great day in the office for Shotaro. Hope he does better in his next GP event.

TMC · Aug 29, 2014

Mrs. P said:
Aw not a great day in the office for Shotaro. Hope he does better in his next GP event.

At least he was smiling, that was good to see

LRK · Aug 29, 2014

TMC said:
If Shotaro doesn't get 65 PCS I'm gonna rage flip my laptop

I hope your laptop has come tthrough unscathed..

Meoima · Aug 29, 2014

TMC said:
At least he was smiling, that was good to see

His PCS is too low. Ahhh!! The way judges give out PCS doesn't make any sense at all. :bang:

TMC · Aug 29, 2014

LRK said:
I hope your laptop has come tthrough unscathed..

I caught it in the air :biggrin:

Meoima · Aug 29, 2014

Protocol is here: http://www.isuresults.com/results/jgpslo2014/jgpslo2014_JuniorMen_FS_Scores.pdf

FSGMT · Aug 29, 2014

BIG :disagree::disagree::disagree: to both Petrov's and Jin's costumes!! :laugh:

About the skating and judging: Jin receiving 64 PCS with 60 for Omori (who BTW hasn't landed a clean 3A in competition in ages so far) and 65 for Aliev, who have been WAY better than him artistically is not fair at all, I would have given him less than 5.50 for PE, CH and IN for sure, maybe something around 6.00 for SS and TR... But we all know that big jumps most of the time mean PCS advantage, whereas poor jumps=PCS penalty :biggrin:

Except for the top three, not a great competition at all, though

Meoima · Aug 29, 2014

FSGMT said:
BIG to both Petrov's and Jin's costumes!!
About the skating and judging: Jin receiving 64 PCS with 60 for Omori (who BTW hasn't landed a clean 3A in competition in ages so far) and 65 for Aliev, who have been WAY better than him artistically is not fair at all, I would have given him less than 5.50 for PE, CH and IN for sure, maybe something around 6.00 for SS and TR... But we all know that big jumps most of the time mean PCS advantage, whereas poor jumps=PCS penalty Except for the top three, not a great competition at all, though

Now that when I think about it, I would only give Boyang 55 PCS.

At least Petrov seemed to live his performance. Standing ovation from me to Mishin!

UnChosen · Aug 29, 2014

Maybe Jin's costume designer ran out of material so he/she just grabbed a bunch of leftover scraps and glitters and threw them together? :laugh:

I actually enjoyed Jin's technical spectacle, but I do wish the ISU would just increase the base value of the difficult jumps instead of having this unspoken code of rewarding difficulty through gifting points in the PCS.

BusyMom · Aug 29, 2014

UnChosen said:
Maybe Jin's costume designer ran out of material so he/she just grabbed a bunch of leftover scraps and glitters and threw them together?

Or he's a Trekky! He used to wear similar one in red that similar to the Enterprise's crews. :biggrin:

Interspectator · Aug 29, 2014

Boyang, even with his 3 quads, is not unbeatable.
I've taken a look and there are quite a few junior skaters who have gotten 147 points and over for the free skates without any quads.
Or just one.
Shoma Uno and Hanyu Yuzuru come to mind.
Shoma has serious problems with his 3A (never landing it cleanly) but has recently developed a nice 4T.
Hanyu when a Junior had 2 3As and no quads.

Both had strong basics and spins, and have gotten high scores.
So Boyang's quads are not insurmountable if the others have better basics.

shiroKJ · Aug 29, 2014

^Han Yan, Farris, and Brown also in the recent years

caelum · Aug 29, 2014

Newbiespectator said:
Boyang, even with his 3 quads, is not unbeatable.
I've taken a look and there are quite a few junior skaters who have gotten 147 points and over for the free skates without any quads.
Or just one.
Shoma Uno and Hanyu Yuzuru come to mind.
Shoma has serious problems with his 3A (never landing it cleanly) but has recently developed a nice 4T.
Hanyu when a Junior had 2 3As and no quads.

Both had strong basics and spins, and have gotten high scores.
So Boyang's quads are not insurmountable if the others have better basics.

Of course he's not unbeatable - but it makes it very difficult. And if he goes clean on the jumps, it would be nearly impossible for junior level skaters to top him.

You have to remember Boyang missed a quad combination which took the quad base value down from 11.33 to 7.93, and either he was planning to do a 3T or 2T on the end of it (I don't know which), so his BV might be 7.91 or 4.83 points higher. So that would place him at 152.79 to 155.80, depending on the combo. Then consider he got minus GOE on his 4S, 4T, and 3Lz + 3T. Assuming he can do these clean, but unspectacularly (say three judges give +1, and four give +0) then his TES would increase by 3.49 points, putting him in the 156.28 to 159.29 score. Also, it's fair to assume his PCS would go up (whether it's justified or not).

So, assuming he can go even reasonably clean, he'll be hard for any junior skater to catch up to him and he can quite easily hit a junior world record.

Edit: And if he inserts that 4Lz he's been working on and then can do say a 3A + 2T, then he would be pretty much unbeatable bar disaster.

2014 Junior Men FP JGP Ljublijana Cup

TMC

Meoima

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TMC

LRK

Meoima

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TMC

TMC

Mrs. P

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Meoima

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Meoima

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FSGMT

Meoima

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shiroKJ

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